Popular Post OILERMAN Posted February 8 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 8 The OL got healthier, they started running more heavy sets(6 OL and two TE sets), they played more under center. They also got Ward to run more and throw more check downs. Arguing whether they changed the offensive scheme dramatically is semantics. They changed the philosophy as much as an in-season team can, which is a limited amount. I think what they really did is protect Ward as much as possible. Protect him physically as well as try and make things easier for him. All of this was done within the framework of the existing offense. It was still a drastic difference then the Callahan philosophy. Pragidealist, Justafan, rns90, and 5 others 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 How much the changed the whole offense is beyond what anyone around here truely knows. We do know they changed up the run game. Stopped using 47 different run plays and stuck to a few simple plays and it worked. They said it themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Someone doesn't understand what splits are lololol “Splits” is a stats term. Not a “football term” wtf are you going on about. Its a statistical split between shotgun and not shotgun. What i do know is math and statistics. If they only did about 400 yards passing vs 2800 in the year- 12% of their total passing yards. Then they mostly were in shotgun for the whole year despite some fans delusions. Have you ever seen Supernatural? Do you know Bobby Singer bc I’m having a hard time not calling you Idjut in every response at this point. If you have an counter data showing this magical offensive transformation- now is the time to show it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 18 minutes ago, Callidus said: How much the changed the whole offense is beyond what anyone around here truely knows. We do know they changed up the run game. Stopped using 47 different run plays and stuck to a few simple plays and it worked. They said it themselves. I mostly agree with this Callidus 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 27 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: The OL got healthier, they started running more heavy sets(6 OL and two TE sets), they played more under center. They also got Ward to run more and throw more check downs. Arguing whether they changed the offensive scheme dramatically is semantics. They changed the philosophy as much as an in-season team can, which is a limited amount. I think what they really did is protect Ward as much as possible. Protect him physically as well as try and make things easier for him. All of this was done within the framework of the existing offense. It was still a drastic difference then the Callahan philosophy. I agree with all of this except maybe the last sentence. I think with the staff they had and what was installed a good bit of that philosophy was locked in. They changed as much as they could midseason- which were tweaks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 11 minutes ago, Pragidealist said: I mostly agree with this You get most of a thumbs up. prometheus, OILERMAN, and Pragidealist 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 49 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: The OL got healthier, they started running more heavy sets(6 OL and two TE sets), they played more under center. They also got Ward to run more and throw more check downs. Arguing whether they changed the offensive scheme dramatically is semantics. They changed the philosophy as much as an in-season team can, which is a limited amount. I think what they really did is protect Ward as much as possible. Protect him physically as well as try and make things easier for him. All of this was done within the framework of the existing offense. It was still a drastic difference then the Callahan philosophy. It’s pretty much semantics. But when you have someone who pretty much absolves Callahan from the coaching aspect and how crappy he was at it that’s the telling /important. He failed not only because of the talent but because he was bad at the coaching aspect of it. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 8 minutes ago, rns90 said: It’s pretty much semantics. But when you have someone who pretty much absolves Callahan from the coaching aspect and how crappy he was at it that’s the telling /important. He failed not only because of the talent but because he was bad at the coaching aspect of it. This is flat out wrong. This is not me absolving Callahan, I am saying his fault is in who he hired and the processes he put in place. That's what sr managers are accountable for. I am saying you can't dislike Callahan and then say his staff are fine. That doesn't make any sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 2 hours ago, OILERMAN said: The OL got healthier, they started running more heavy sets(6 OL and two TE sets), they played more under center. They also got Ward to run more and throw more check downs. Arguing whether they changed the offensive scheme dramatically is semantics. They changed the philosophy as much as an in-season team can, which is a limited amount. I think what they really did is protect Ward as much as possible. Protect him physically as well as try and make things easier for him. All of this was done within the framework of the existing offense. It was still a drastic difference then the Callahan philosophy. Pay attention @IsntLifeFunny. Teams don't overhaul their scheme midseason. It would be a recipe for disaster with how little practice time they have. What they did do was tweak things. Pragidealist 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 2 hours ago, rns90 said: It’s pretty much semantics. But when you have someone who pretty much absolves Callahan from the coaching aspect and how crappy he was at it that’s the telling /important. He failed not only because of the talent but because he was bad at the coaching aspect of it. It stands to reason Callahan is likely a good position coach/coordinator based on history but is either incapable or wasn't ready to jump to being a HC. There are many more things that go into being a HC. Pragidealist 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 one place I agree with @Pragidealist here is that Callahan did a bad job surrounding himself with good staff. We all thought his dad was a great get and offset the Holz hire. Turned out both were bad as when Callahan was trying to figure out how to be a play caller for the first time while learning how to be a HC, his deputies weren't capable. DCTitan, and Pragidealist 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 17 minutes ago, oldschool said: one place I agree with @Pragidealist here is that Callahan did a bad job surrounding himself with good staff. We all thought his dad was a great get and offset the Holz hire. Turned out both were bad as when Callahan was trying to figure out how to be a play caller for the first time while learning how to be a HC, his deputies weren't capable. It also gives hope to Saleh. 1) This isnt his first time. 2) He (or borgoniz) hired experience around him. Maybe Bc will be better a second time or if he would have been better surrounded by experience instead of turning the keys totally over to him. Time will tell. It does look like FO learned something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 4 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Someone doesn't understand what splits are lololol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 59 minutes ago, oldschool said: Pay attention @IsntLifeFunny. Teams don't overhaul their scheme midseason. It would be a recipe for disaster with how little practice time they have. What they did do was tweak things. It's hilarious now you are on this. They of course ran the same terminology if that's what you're talking about. They completely switched personnel, sets, play calls, PA, under center usage...etc. Same terminology deploying the same scheme differently aka not the same offense. oldschool, rns90, and Pragidealist 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, oldschool said: It stands to reason Callahan is likely a good position coach/coordinator based on history but is either incapable or wasn't ready to jump to being a HC. There are many more things that go into being a HC. We actually don’t know this in terms of playcalling . He also didn’t get an OC slot this season , so the wait continues in terms of him actually calling plays in a successful offense. IsntLifeFunny, and Jamalisms 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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