Titans Offseason Discussion Thread

[IsntLifeFunny]

Just now, rns90 said:

Chestnut isn’t part of the equation.  It’s Love /spears /draft pick vs love /pollard/spears.

I'm okay with that route as well. 

[Callidus]

1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

You keep Pollard as your Montgomery to Gibbs. 

Pollard and Montgomery is a wild comparison. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

1 minute ago, Callidus said:

Pollard and Montgomery is a wild comparison. 

It used to be, but not after last year. 

[Callidus]

1 minute ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

It used to be, but not after last year. 

Montgomery lose 40 pounds?

[IsntLifeFunny]

6 minutes ago, Callidus said:

Montgomery lose 40 pounds?

No, but Pollard became an inside runner. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

It's a tiring argument. No one said Pollard ran like Montgomery. I said the comparison was usage relative to how you use Love without banging his head into a brick wall. 

 

Find another RB capable of being an inside runner better than Pollard and make it happen. Spears isn't it. Don't, and you keep him so you aren't doing the same fucking stupid shit Fisher did with CJ. 

Edited 1 hour ago by IsntLifeFunny

[OILERMAN]

Chris Johnson was terrible in the passing game. They took him out on passing downs. 

 

He was ever so slightly better than Tomato Can 

[titanruss]

4 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

No, what's being said, even if I disagree with the framing in some ways, is that CJ was not a reliable receiver out of the backfield you could count on for 6-8 targets and 4 to 5 catches a game, and he never took over a game from that aspect. He could break big plays for sure, best game breaker in history in my opinion, but he was limited there because of the scheme and the fact they never bothered with coaching him up to run a full route tree and be implemented in the passing game. 

 

Like Scine said, those swing passes should have been featured every game. In breakers, Texas routes, out routes, seam routes...all things we see from other backs capable of taking over a game in the passing game. We saw none of it. The most we saw was where they'd run a decoy 9 route from the outside that worked a couple times. That was the extent of what they asked him to do, which as I noted in my first post on the topic was stupid. 

we've never had a back that did that and our schemes and QBs never helped. 
 

his catch rate and drop rate were solid if not good and his ypr and big play scare was enough that he was followed as a decoy... usually.  Hard to find advanced stats. 
 

Henry is usually just forgotten about but he also was better than average for RBs and had a high success rate there. 
 

we can agree they aren't elite...but it's super hard to say they weren't a threat or better than average to good when all the stats basically say they are. 
 

stats exist to take the emotion out of decisions and grading. 

[CreepingDeath]

Just now, OILERMAN said:

Chris Johnson was terrible in the passing game. They took him out on passing downs. 

 

He was ever so slightly better than Tomato Can 

If you look at snap count percentages, you'll see that very few RBs live up to this standard.  

[CreepingDeath]

1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Lord. I'm not doing this with you. CJ's 2k season was his outlier. In 2 more full seasons with no injuries he's 400 yards behind Saquan, who missed an entire season. 

 

You're mixing up arguments, disingenuously in my opinion. CJ was never a big component of the passing game except screens and dump offs. As I've said repeatedly that doesn't mean he wasn't capable of more. I've literally argued the opposite. 

 

If you genuinely don't see the way those backs have been deployed I don't know what to tell you. 

I'm not trying to mix up your arguments.  I'm pushing back on vague statements like "taking over a game" as some standard.  To me, it sounds like it "feels right" to fit certain RBs into certain categories.  

 

And screens and dump offs are usual, aren't they?  Teams incorporate these into the designs of the plays for a reason, right?  

 

When players like CJ (or Henry or whoever) is on the team, are there players that are used how you expect a RB to be used to "take over the game in the passing game"?  I don't ever recall the Titans having that RB.  

[socaljake]

 

Borgonzi was on the Schrager Hour. Borg got asked 40 min in about Love at 4. 

[OILERMAN]

17 minutes ago, CreepingDeath said:

If you look at snap count percentages, you'll see that very few RBs live up to this standard.  

 

I'm able to analyze RB playu on a much more detailed viewpoint than simple stats and production 

[Supernope]

14 minutes ago, socaljake said:

 

Borgonzi was on the Schrager Hour. Borg got asked 40 min in about Love at 4. 

What did he say about Chris Johnson?

[NashvilleNinja]

10 hours ago, Justafan said:

Wouldn’t them not asking him to do it be a pretty obvious indicator that he wasn’t great at it? 

 

Why would they ask their RB to catch passes when they hardly ever asked their WRs to catch passes?

[NashvilleNinja]

6 hours ago, OnsideKick said:

#Titans re-sign running back and kick returner Julius Chestnut (5-foot-11, 228 pounds, 154 career yards, five catches, 52 yards, 26 kick returns, 633 yards), per a league source. Represented by veteran agent Marty Magid.