Callidus Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 (edited) 2 hours ago, BeedoeLaw said: I think 1500 to 2000 yds of total offense and 10-15 total TDs is pretty damn valuable. I know there is no guarantee Love puts up those kind of numbers in his first season, but I think most agree that is the type of RB he is. That kind of production is absolutely worth a top 5 pick. If Saleh works his magic with the defense, and we end up with a defense like he had in NY, we will absolutely be in contention. Add in the franchise QB we drafted last year playing against defenses with a pick your poison dilemma. One thing I will say for this Love conversation is the biggest hurdle will be carring the load. 1000rushing yards at 5ypc is 200 touches, 500 at 8ypr is 62 catches. He has never had more than 225 touches in a season. Even if he averaged an elite elite 5.5 and 10 he would need 272 rushes and 50 catches tp reach 1500 rushing and 500 reciving. 322 touches is a far cry from 226. Edit: and before someone says tate never carried the volume. There is a big difference between 70 to 120 targets and 225 to 325 touches. Edited April 11 by Callidus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 4 minutes ago, Callidus said: One thing I will say for this Love conversation is the biggest hurdle will be carring the load. 1000rushing yards at 5ypc is 200 touches, 500 at 8ypr is 62 catches. He has never had more than 225 touches in a season. Even if he averaged an elite elite 5.5 and 10 he would need 272 rushes and 50 catches tp reach 1500 rushing and 500 reciving. 322 touches is a far cry from 226. Edit: and before someone says tate never carried the volume. There is a big difference between 70 to 120 targets and 225 to 325 touches. At least Love is young, he's only 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 12 minutes ago, headhunter said: At least Love is young, he's only 20 What does that matter if he's unlikely to get a 2nd contract with the team? Asked another way, who do you think would most likely get a 2nd contract here, all things being equal and they both pan out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 I think he'll have a longer prime because he's so young so I think he can get a second contract with us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 (edited) 35 minutes ago, headhunter said: I think he'll have a longer prime because he's so young so I think he can get a second contract with us Tate january 2005 Love may 2005 Both will be 21 their full rookie seasons. Unless we make the superbowl Edited April 11 by Callidus NashvilleNinja 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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headhunter Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 I honestly think there's a chance we trade up for Bailey, Wyatt mentioned his name a few times in his mailbag. I wouldn't rule out the possibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 47 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said: What does that matter if he's unlikely to get a 2nd contract with the team? Asked another way, who do you think would most likely get a 2nd contract here, all things being equal and they both pan out? I don't care about the 2nd contract that much. I care about who most helps ward the next 3 to 4 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 2 minutes ago, Pragidealist said: I don't care about the 2nd contract that much. I care about who most helps ward the next 3 to 4 years. Thats like buying a house and saying you dont care if it burns down as long as its a good house for 3 to 4 years. oldschool, and NashvilleNinja 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 1 minute ago, Pragidealist said: I don't care about the 2nd contract that much. I care about who most helps ward the next 3 to 4 years. Yeah, Tate does that too. And he has the added benefit of being more likely to be here longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
airmcnair22 Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 11 minutes ago, headhunter said: I honestly think there's a chance we trade up for Bailey, Wyatt mentioned his name a few times in his mailbag. I wouldn't rule out the possibility. What we have to remember with Wyatt is that he chooses which questions he answers and shares online which makes it interesting. I found this answer the most interesting from Wyatt’s mailbag: Question: Hey Jim. We've done fairly well in free agency, no home runs, but a triple and some doubles. Defense definitely got better. Wan'Dale Robinson is a plus, but the offense needs more weapons. I think Jeremiyah Love has probably moved up the list to #1 on our board, though Fano, out of Utah, would be a great addition to the offensive line. I would go with Love and if by some miracle Fano is still available in round 2, nab him. Do you think Love is the right choice? Does the offensive line need more help? Do we go for the best player no matter the position? An exciting time as I see the team finally moving in a positive direction. Answer: Hey Rick. I haven't hid the fact I like Love, but the GM and scouts know more than I do. I'm not going to come straight out and say he's the right choice, because I know there are no guarantees in the NFL Draft. While I think Love is going to be a stud, maybe Mike Borgonzi & Co. have their sights set on another guy who they think will make a bigger, longer lasting impact. So, we'll have to see what the real decision-makers decide, not the guy who does the mailbag. As for the offensive line, it definitely needs more help. I think Austin Schlotmann could end up being the starter at center, but he's going to have to earn it, and he's going to have competition oldschool, headhunter, and japan 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBukafax Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 37 minutes ago, Callidus said: Thats like buying a house and saying you dont care if it burns down as long as its a good house for 3 to 4 years. Thats how they do it in Japan lol Callidus 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 34 minutes ago, TheBukafax said: Thats how they do it in Japan lol If my house was made of paper and didn't cost anything I wouldnt care as much. But thats the equivalent of spending a 5th round pick vs a first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 1 hour ago, NashvilleNinja said: Yeah, Tate does that too. And he has the added benefit of being more likely to be here longer. Yes. I think Love does that a lot more but I do see the value in Tate which is why he is my second choice- even if I am not sure he is top 5 value normally for a WR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 1 hour ago, Callidus said: Thats like buying a house and saying you dont care if it burns down as long as its a good house for 3 to 4 years. Not at all.. its saying I dont want to think so much about 4 years that we overvalue that to the immediate need and that's basically trianning wheels for Cam. I want Cam put in the best situation to succeed for the next 3 to 4 years.. and worry about 4 yeras in 4 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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