Trade Deadline Discussion

[rns90]

41 minutes ago, ctm said:

If you think trading away AJ Brown was a bad idea, trading Simmons is far, far worse.  He's a high level established player in his prime. Trading him also likely gets a huge negative reaction from teammates trying their best to establish a winning culture.

 

Simmons in proven, draft picks aren't.  But this is how draft nerds think.  

That’s it.  What are the chances that draft picks will hit an all pro/DPOY level that Simmons has played at.  Very slim but some just want to trade him for speculative picks that will make you significantly worse off.

[Thrill]

4 hours ago, Face said:

I wanted to draft him. While I like Tyjae Spears I still never understood drafting a 5’11 200 pounder who ran a 4.5 a pick before Achane who ran a 4.3 & Darnell Washington who had freakish size. We never pick any outliers. Ever. Which is part of the reason I’m such a big supporter of Sweat.

 

It’s kindve funny actually. Henry is like the one physical outlier we picked & it worked out pretty well.

 

Youre a big rare measurables guy as well & I think that’s why we like a lot of the same players….

1000% I was big on both of them too. Adding these physical freaks or guys with unique skill sets totally changes what you can do schematically. The colts are currently using Tyler Warren as a goal line gadget back. No linebacker in the league can cover Achane. Vita vea is a walking double team because he’s 400 lbs and fast as shit. Pennei Sewell. Etc

Edited 12 hours ago by Thrill

[Face]

5 minutes ago, Thrill said:

1000% I was big on both of them too. Adding these physical freaks or guys with unique skill sets totally changes what you can do schematically. The colts are currently using Tyler Warren as a goal line gadget back. No linebacker in the league can cover Achane. Vita vea is a walking double team because he’s 400 lbs and fast as shit. Pennei Sewell. Etc

Yep. Especially after the 2nd rd or so. First 2 rds you take football players. After that  if there’s something unique you take it:  Like I said, I like Soears. But there’s plenty of guys like him. There’s not many 6’7 275 lb TE’s who blocks like tackles & can make plays down the seams.

[Mythos27]

6 hours ago, Face said:

I wanted to draft him. While I like Tyjae Spears I still never understood drafting a 5’11 200 pounder who ran a 4.5 a pick before Achane who ran a 4.3 & Darnell Washington who had freakish size. We never pick any outliers. Ever. Which is part of the reason I’m such a big supporter of Sweat.

 

It’s kindve funny actually. Henry is like the one physical outlier we picked & it worked out pretty well.

 

Youre a big rare measurables guy as well & I think that’s why we like a lot of the same players…

 

I would I say I'm more big on positional athletic thresholds. For example, I don't care how much I like his tape, I'll never advocate for drafting a corner that runs slower than 4.55. Really anything above 4.5 you have to have all time tape. With height/weight/ speed guys I'm only really interested if they have at least some production. Washington is one of the few guys that I broke my rule for because he was just such a physical unicorn that the idea of what he could be was too intriguing to pass on. It also helped that I felt he'd be an asset to the team right away as a blocker until the rest of his game developed. 

[AussieTitanFan08]

Schefter was on McAfee today and said with the 3 trades this week he may have underpredicted the number of trades that could happen before the trade deadline shuts he upped his prediction to around 20.

[Starkiller]

8 hours ago, rns90 said:

That’s it.  What are the chances that draft picks will hit an all pro/DPOY level that Simmons has played at.  Very slim but some just want to trade him for speculative picks that will make you significantly worse off.

On the flip side, the guys who they might draft with those draft picks are likely to still be here and in their prime 4 years from now when the Titans hopefully will be contending

[Callidus]

What do you all thinm we would getfor jeff? Seriously? The cowboys got 2 late firsts and an old ass NT comong off a terrible season. 

 

We wouldn't get that much for jeff, so what is the consensus bottom line around here? Be it reasonable or not. 

[reo]

23 minutes ago, Callidus said:

What do you all thinm we would getfor jeff? Seriously? The cowboys got 2 late firsts and an old ass NT comong off a terrible season. 

 

We wouldn't get that much for jeff, so what is the consensus bottom line around here? Be it reasonable or not. 

 

He's the leader of the defense. it would decimate the team to trade him. Won't happen.

[NashvilleNinja]

12 hours ago, Face said:

I wanted to draft him. While I like Tyjae Spears I still never understood drafting a 5’11 200 pounder who ran a 4.5 a pick before Achane who ran a 4.3 

 

I didn't even realize that happened until a few months ago. That's worse than Ruston Webster taking Sankey. Carthon actually played RB, you'd think he would at least know what talent looks like at that position if he didn't with any other.

 

I'm not shit talking Spears. He's obviously a good player, especially compared to jags like Sankey, but Achane is a phenom. Carthon should be ashamed of himself. 

[NashvilleNinja]

24 minutes ago, reo said:

 

He's the leader of the defense. it would decimate the team to trade him. Won't happen.

 

Some fans just don't gaf. They have their minds set on a hanging/firing and they want everything ripped down to the studs. As if this team could be any more torn down as it is.

 

Simmons is a foundational piece, not monopoly money. Unlike guys like Jurrell Casey in the past, he's not going anywhere. He'll retire a Titan.

[reo]

6 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said:

 

Some fans just don't gaf. They have their minds set on a hanging/firing and they want everything ripped down to the studs. As if this team could be any more torn down as it is.

 

Simmons is a foundational piece, not monopoly money. Unlike guys like Jurrell Casey in the past, he's not going anywhere. He'll retire a Titan.

 

he's really stepped up as a leader this year. Him and Ward are the primary leaders on this team. They spent all offseason building that type of dynamic. They're not wrecking it on a dumb trade.

[Callidus]

37 minutes ago, reo said:

 

He's the leader of the defense. it would decimate the team to trade him. Won't happen.

Its a hypothetical 

[IsntLifeFunny]

42 minutes ago, Callidus said:

Its a hypothetical 

2 firsts and a player. 

[titanruss]

1 hour ago, Callidus said:

What do you all thinm we would getfor jeff? Seriously? The cowboys got 2 late firsts and an old ass NT comong off a terrible season. 

 

We wouldn't get that much for jeff, so what is the consensus bottom line around here? Be it reasonable or not. 

 

I thought the Consensus was the Cowboys didnt get enough and Jerry didnt shop him hard enough. The comparisons were to the Luka level of bad trades. 

I think Simmons could fetch 2 -1's and a player but I don't think that would be worth it either. The guy you get isn't likely for more than a couple years, 50% hit rate for re-signing a high draft pick (completely made up number) and the chances of them being as good as Jeff at anything  are much much lower. 

Edited 2 hours ago by titanruss

[Callidus]

18 minutes ago, titanruss said:

 

I thought the Consensus was the Cowboys didnt get enough and Jerry didnt shop him hard enough. The comparisons were to the Luka level of bad trades. 

I think Simmons could fetch 2 -1's and a player but I don't think that would be worth it either. The guy you get isn't likely for more than a couple years, 50% hit rate for re-signing a high draft pick (completely made up number) and the chances of them being as good as Jeff at anything  are much much lower. 

While I agree the cowboys got railroaded, its hard to not see it being used in any negotiations jeff.