What will be the biggest improvement with Hardegree calling plays?

[Mythos27]

7 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

 

They are also used to try and get around terrible pass protection and one of the problems is the opposing defense knows you're going to do it. 

 

If you can't pass protect your playbook is limited

You just can't hide successfully for an extended period of time in this league. Contrary to popular belief, the coaches in the NFL are phenomenal and they WILL sniff out your bullshit. The top 3 things you can't really hide in the NFL are bad pass pro, a bad QB, and corners that can't cover. If you have any of these weaknesses your right fucked and your season is going nowhere. We have 2/3. 

[TerryBoats]

2 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

Dude...I listed a total of like 11 screens across 3 games. That's not a lot. Also, WR screens are not necessarily supposed to be plays that gain you a ton of yards. They're supposed to gain you 3-5 yards and they're something you lean on particularly if your running game isn't going well or to get your QB in a rhythm with some easy completions. Many offensive minds see WR screens as an extension of the running game because they're viewed as a relatively safe play to run and are designed to get you about the same yardage as a run would. It seems to me that when faced with clear evidence that the players are the problem here, you're responding by twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to find a way for there something to be wrong with the very idea of calling screens.

 

The truth is that the problem isn't the screens it's the fact that these players seems incapable of consistently executing one of the safest, most simple plays in football. This could be excused if it were just screens that they were fucking up but it's not. They're committing physical errors all over the place and we suck too much to bench them. I gave you very clear evidence, now hold these players accountable. 

Jacksonville's offense was as bad last year as Tennessee's.  And as you can see, their non -scripted plays are just as bad , suggesting there are still talent issues.  The difference is, they are excellent at scripted plays.  I believe that even flawed, mistake-prone players can be effective when put in a good enough position to contribute positively to a play, or maybe better yet not put in position to contribute negatively as our sorry ass receivers often do. 

 

I've provided a couple examples, and I could provide many more of how Coen calls these idiot-proof plays that even guys like Jefferson and Okonkwo wouldn't screw up.  It's a sharp contrast to the low-yield WR screens which are entirely dependant on their non -existent blocking ability.

 

 

 

Edited September 25, 2025 by TerryBoats

[Callidus]

9 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

I don't recall a single one that was developing as a true RB screen. I remember Pollard dropping one but it was designed more like a WR screen if memory serves. I think he's talking about WR screens, but maybe I'm wrong. 

There have been atleast 2 i can think of but both had penalties.

[Mythos27]

8 hours ago, TerryBoats said:

Jacksonville's offense was as bad last year as Tennessee's.  And as you can see, their non -scripted plays are just as bad , suggesting there are still talent issues.  The difference is, they are excellent at scripted plays.  I believe that even flawed, mistake-prone players can be effective when put in a good enough position to contribute positively to a play, or maybe better yet not put in position to contribute negatively as our sorry ass receivers often do. 

 

I've provided a couple examples, and I could provide many more of how Coen calls these idiot-proof plays that even guys like Jefferson and Okonkwo wouldn't screw up.  It's a sharp contrast to the low-yield WR screens which are entirely dependant on their non -existent blocking ability.

 

 

 

*Sigh*

[Nash]

Looking at the chart above, it sure looks like the league has figured out the Bengals/Titans offense.. Arthur Smith looks like the only candidate with HC experience, but admittedly Brady, Monken,  and Kubiak are indeed intriguing..

 

If HC experience is the premium, Smith and Schwartz would seem to have an inside track..

Edited September 25, 2025 by Nash

[TerryBoats]

2 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

*Sigh*

I get your point is that the players fucked up those plays.  I totally believe that.  My solution would be to call plays that they are less likely to fuck up.  Not to continue watching them butcher plays which are only going to go for 4 yards anyway even if they execute them properly.

[TerryBoats]

53 minutes ago, Nash said:

Looking at the chart above, it sure looks like the league has figured out the Bengals/Titans offense.. Arthur Smith looks like the only candidate with HC experience, but admittedly Brady, Monken,  and Kubiak are indeed intriguing..

 

If HC experience is the premium, Smith and Schwartz would seem to have an inside track..

I'm skeptical of any coordinator with a QB like Josh Allen, but that's definitely solid evidence in favor of Brady.  Especially considering that their receivers aren't very good.

[Mythos27]

22 minutes ago, TerryBoats said:

I get your point is that the players fucked up those plays.  I totally believe that.  My solution would be to call plays that they are less likely to fuck up.  Not to continue watching them butcher plays which are only going to go for 4 yards anyway even if they execute them properly.

My point is that they are already calling plays that they should be less likely to fuck up. These are considered the safest plays in football. An entire offense predicated on dump offs to running backs and shallow crosses to late releasing tight ends is just not going to cut it. Can we add those plays? Sure. Will it address the structural problems we have? No. Shit knowing us, our players will find a way to fuck those up too. It also goes to my larger point that it's hard to point to the scheme as the problem when we're not even competent enough to run it. I'd like to see it be executed at a competent level before I decide it's garbage. 

[Nash]

I'll ask the question: What is the best offense for a very young rebuilding team? One with pre-designed attacks based on formation or motion, that looks the same whether it's a run or pass? think Rams,49ers, Packers, even Jags.  OR one that requires the young players to understand nuance, with lots of decisions by the qb/receivers/oline on each play? 

[TerryBoats]

1 hour ago, Nash said:

I'll ask the question: What is the best offense for a very young rebuilding team? One with pre-designed attacks based on formation or motion, that looks the same whether it's a run or pass? think Rams,49ers, Packers, even Jags.  OR one that requires the young players to understand nuance, with lots of decisions by the qb/receivers/oline on each play? 

The Callahan offense is trash.  Cincinnati had elite players, yet not elite offensive production and the QB ends up on IR nearly every year.

 

As for what is best for Ward, that will be interesting to see.  I think you have to get him on the move often, with his ability to throw on the run and from a variety of arm angles - similar to Mahomes.  You don't even need to cut the field in half on bootlegs, as he's clearly comfortable with and capable of throwing from one hash mark to another.

 

A creative OC should be able to utilize him in a lot of ways.  Certainly better ways than useless WR screens and the same end around to Dike (previously Burks) every single game.

Edited September 25, 2025 by TerryBoats

[Pragidealist]

16 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

I wasn't watching out for them so maybe I missed some but I remember one successful to Pollard  and another that failed. To be fair the one that failed didn't seem like a player screw up but rather the DL sniffed it out quickly and Cam had to dirt it. I don't get the sense we're trying too many of them. One thing that you might be interested to know however is that form what I saw we are using a ton of pre-snap motion. I feel like I saw someone mention that we run very little motion a week or so ago  but I can tell you that we run a lot of it. I was surprised. At fist I thought that the motions might be a tell that was leading to screens getting blown up but that doesn't seem to be accurate; we just run a lot of motion. Someone with access to those numbers might want to fact check me but that's what I saw.

We seem to run a ton of motion and pre read stuff with options at the line and of course in the play.  I've been impressed with how much they are giving Cam and how much he is picking up.. I am also very curious to know where he is making mistakes on that stuff that we can't see.  Where is he making line calls inaccurately, where is he misreading defenses or audiabling into worse plays.  Because-  1) as a rookie I would expect that and 2) Its the type of things some coaches and schemes would not give to rookies. I like they are giving it to him now and helping him grow into it. I just wish we had better view or perspective on mistakes.. so we could see the progression better. 

 

 

[Supernope]

well it didn't result in a win but you have to love the progress!

[oldschool]

[Titans279]

Higher chance of #1 pick?

[Cameron00c]

Biggest improvement is that We can go ahead and fire BC