oldschool Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, BudsOilers said: NE is basically giving Vrabel the Belichick job, which should be fascinating to see how that plays out..... Its the role he craved here and tried to exert over Carthon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 22 minutes ago, oldschool said: wrong. Mularkey had the team in the divisional round with Mariota at QB. 1 playoff win. Vrabel had 2 playoff wins in 2019 and didn't win another game. I think Vrabel is a better coach but this idea he's BB because he was 7 games over .500 with the Titans in 6 years is insane. Its media and fan concocted. of course we know the reason you are making this argument. Its because you can't admit what Tannehill did in 2019 and 2020. This doesn't even make logical sense from top to bottom. You're mixing narratives here and should probably just reset and restate. You'd probably be closer to the truth. 2019 and 2020, even 2021 where they got the number one seed, is exactly why I'm "making the argument." They were legitimately good and an actual threat at that point. The team was way better at that point than under Mularkey. Now, once you establish that obvious improvement as a baseline, you can try to explain it away. But acting like they weren't way better is a non-starter and fundamentally stupid. japan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 The talent in 2019 took a big leap though.....They added Simmons, AJB, and of course Tannehill. All massive upgrades over who they replaced. IowaOiler, SleepingTitan, and OILERMAN 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, BudsOilers said: The talent in 2019 took a big leap though.....They added Simmons, AJB, and of course Tannehill. All massive upgrades over who they replaced. Sounds like you want to build off a platform of them having improved significantly and being better and not really comparable to the success / quality they saw under Mularkey. Have at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, Jamalisms said: Sounds like you want to build off a platform of them having improved significantly and being better and not really comparable to the success / quality they saw under Mularkey. Have at it. I don't think there's any debate that the teams that Vrabel coached from 2019-2021 specifically were more talented than the 2016-2017 teams Mularkey coached. At least not from anybody credible. Vrabel's playoff coaching doesn't get near the scrutiny that it should - locally or nationally. IowaOiler, OILERMAN, and ChesterCopperpot1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 8 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: This doesn't even make logical sense from top to bottom. You're mixing narratives here and should probably just reset and restate. You'd probably be closer to the truth. 2019 and 2020, even 2021 where they got the number one seed, is exactly why I'm "making the argument." They were legitimately good and an actual threat at that point. The team was way better at that point than under Mularkey. Now, once you establish that obvious improvement as a baseline, you can try to explain it away. But acting like they weren't way better is a non-starter and fundamentally stupid. They also got top 5-10 QB play those 3 years. Mularkey did it with Mariota at QB. IowaOiler, and TylerRoseFan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splash Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, IowaOiler said: You can say nice things about meathead all day...just provide support. And arguing 'excellent' vs 'elite' is semantics. Tannehill was a fucking stud in bailing the team out of constant 3rd and longs....we'll see how Maye does at that. Drake Maye or Maye Not do well with that! IowaOiler 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, oldschool said: They also got top 5-10 QB play those 3 years. Mularkey did it with Mariota at QB. And yet the below is still wrong. 1 hour ago, oldschool said: The truth is there wasn't much difference between Mularkey and Vrabel success wise. oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, Jamalisms said: And yet the below is still wrong. One took a time to the divisional round with Mariota at QB. The other made it past that round once with a much better roster and a top 10 QB. The fact you think there is some massive difference in the two jobs they did is telling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 The "job they did" and the difference "success wise" are different assessments. The team was far more successful under Vrabel. One was an actual threat, the other stumbled into a playoff win in a complete fluke game. You've already argued against your own point by talking about how much better the players were and how I don't want to give credit to Tannehill. If the success under vrabel was consistent with the success under mularkey then the success under Tannehill was the consistent with the success under Mariota. Which, of course, it wasn't. You're defending a really stupid contention that was probably a misstatement and you really should just reset and restate instead of digging in to something dumb. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Of course, Vrabel with a pretty similar roster to Mularkey's in 2018 went 9-7 and missed the playoffs. And from a higher level view, if the stated goal was to go deep into the playoffs every year as stated when hired, they failed as it only happened once in six years. Vrabel objectively gets way too much credit for the 2019-2021 run mainly because the national view of Tannehill and romanticizing about the NE win over Belichick and Brady even though it was a bad NE team by their standards. rns90, ChesterCopperpot1, and oldschool 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 9 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: One was an actual threat, the other stumbled into a playoff win in a complete fluke game. You've already argued against your own point by talking about how much better the players were and how I don't want to give credit to Tannehill. If the success under vrabel was consistent with the success under malarkey then the success under 10 how was the consistent with the success under Mariota. Which, of course, it wasn't. You're defending a really stupid contention that was probably a misstatement and you really should just reset and restate instead of digging in to something dumb. Vrabel inherited a playoff team, fact. This idea he lifted the Titans up to a level they hadn't seen since 2008 and earlier is pure made up fan drivel which you are perpetuating. TylerRoseFan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, oldschool said: Vrabel inherited a playoff team, fact. This idea he lifted the Titans up to a level they hadn't seen since 2008 and earlier is pure made up fan drivel which you are perpetuating. It was Mularkey that turned the team's culture around. Vrabel inherited that team. ChesterCopperpot1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rns90 Posted January 13 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 13 3 minutes ago, oldschool said: Vrabel inherited a playoff team, fact. This idea he lifted the Titans up to a level they hadn't seen since 2008 and earlier is pure made up fan drivel which you are perpetuating. He botched home games in the playoffs twice after 2019. Not sure one can ignore these flaws and not point that the guy had a big part in those losses. He’s a good coach but the way some are portraying him is comical. IsntLifeFunny, OILERMAN, Aramis, and 5 others 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot1 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, Jamalisms said: This doesn't even make logical sense from top to bottom. You're mixing narratives here and should probably just reset and restate. You'd probably be closer to the truth. 2019 and 2020, even 2021 where they got the number one seed, is exactly why I'm "making the argument." They were legitimately good and an actual threat at that point. The team was way better at that point than under Mularkey. Now, once you establish that obvious improvement as a baseline, you can try to explain it away. But acting like they weren't way better is a non-starter and fundamentally stupid. We were not a legit threat in 2020. Everyone could see what was coming in the playoffs against the Ravens. 2021 we were a legitimate threat and Vrabel pissed down his leg in the playoffs. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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