BudsOilers Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, SleepingTitan said: Even if you had "generational" Von Miller or Aaron Donald, you're not winning a SB without Manning or Stafford + a helluva stacked supporting cast. You definitely need a QB but this isn't just a 1 year project. Settling for a QB you know is not graded to be an elite QB at 1/1 won't bring you a SB either. IsntLifeFunny, and Justafan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 I do wonder where the cutoff for ratings is for the QBs to be taken at 1. Do they need to be graded top 10 or just have a first round grade? How is that determination affected by potential draft capital for trading the pick? Would you trade the pick for a haul if he's ranked at 20 but not at 10? Those are the things we'll never really know, but I think the equation is quite a bit different with this setup than it was with Ran. The team isn't forced into any single play and seemingly has been given a few years of rope, at least at the FO level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanCityTitan Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 6 hours ago, OILERMAN said: I think they'll draft Ward and try their best to build up quality pass protection. I don't pretend to know how Ward rates as an NFL prospect but I know you have to take chances on QB. Carter is my favorite player in the draft and would help the Titans instantly but QB trumps that. Can i get in on this? Pretty much where Im at...though I'm definitely not as much against ward as others around here. He's definitely an intriguing prospect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 4 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I do wonder where the cutoff for ratings is for the QBs to be taken at 1. Do they need to be graded top 10 or just have a first round grade? How is that determination affected by potential draft capital for trading the pick? Would you trade the pick for a haul if he's ranked at 20 but not at 10? Those are the things we'll never really know, but I think the equation is quite a bit different with this setup than it was with Ran. The team isn't forced into any single play and seemingly has been given a few years of rope, at least at the FO level. This is also where long term view/security comes into it compared per se to the situations in Cleveland and the Giants where those guys are in fix QB or get fired next year mode. Now Callahan may also fall into that but Borgonzi and Brinker are clearly safe for the next 3 years or so IMO. If you think Ward's ceiling is Kyler Murray, who's got a losing record as a QB, one playoff appearance that they were blown out, in six years, not sure that's worth a top 10 pick. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 10 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: You definitely need a QB but this isn't just a 1 year project. Settling for a QB you know is not graded to be an elite QB at 1/1 won't bring you a SB either. There's no evidence that they don't have a 1st round generational grade on a QB this year. These are highly successful AGM/Executives that could've had their pick at any job. If they wanted to play the long game, they could've waited. Unless AAS is paying well above market for this job, we can assume they came for the opportunity of success. It's a small market, shitty ownership model. No SB win. The team has a lot of problems on the roster and a new coaching staff. Really no identity. So why tf did they come in droves for this job? It sure af wasn't to trade back, amass picks, and conquer the NFL through diligent building. Unless there's some secret QB in this draft (*cough Kyle McCord), we gotta assume it's for Cam Ward. He's the generational talent. He's why they came. You think these guys were salivating to get a job with an org that fired Vrabel then became the worst team in football? The team that gets skipped on draft night? Idgaf what Jeremiah says about his board. These guys think Titans have a chance to draft the next Jayden Daniels. Hyperion 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 For what it's worth, I get the feeling that this regime is susceptible to the belief that they can develop (possibly to a fault) a raw prospect, and so may be willing to take a chance on a guy who doesn't necessarily have all of the elite traits. Pragidealist 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 18 minutes ago, SleepingTitan said: There's no evidence that they don't have a 1st round generational grade on a QB this year. These are highly successful AGM/Executives that could've had their pick at any job. If they wanted to play the long game, they could've waited. Unless AAS is paying well above market for this job, we can assume they came for the opportunity of success. It's a small market, shitty ownership model. No SB win. The team has a lot of problems on the roster and a new coaching staff. Really no identity. So why tf did they come in droves for this job? It sure af wasn't to trade back, amass picks, and conquer the NFL through diligent building. Unless there's some secret QB in this draft (*cough Kyle McCord), we gotta assume it's for Cam Ward. He's the generational talent. He's why they came. You think these guys were salivating to get a job with an org that fired Vrabel then became the worst team in football? The team that gets skipped on draft night? Idgaf what Jeremiah says about his board. These guys think Titans have a chance to draft the next Jayden Daniels. A full rebuild with the #1 overall pick as currency is a great draw for anyone wanting be the GM of an NFL team. Yes they know they have to fix QB. They also know they need far more blue chip players on the roster, they don't have a ton of draft capital, and the rebuild isn't going to be a one year project. They absolutely will go through evaluating the draft class and identifying who is a blue chip player, find out what the market bears for trading down, etc. Bottom line is that at this point, I fully believe they are open to all options. That includes sticking at 1 and picking Ward or Carter or I guess the top WR, trading down and accumulating more picks, etc. Borgonzi and Callahan have both said they really have not done much or any scouting of the QB's yet. That has to happen in the next 50 days along with doing so with the FA class to map out the short term and long term avenues to fix QB. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 23 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: This is also where long term view/security comes into it compared per se to the situations in Cleveland and the Giants where those guys are in fix QB or get fired next year mode. Now Callahan may also fall into that but Borgonzi and Brinker are clearly safe for the next 3 years or so IMO. If you think Ward's ceiling is Kyler Murray, who's got a losing record as a QB, one playoff appearance that they were blown out, in six years, not sure that's worth a top 10 pick. Thinking about Kyler being Wilson lite a bit more and I see your point. I've never liked Murray and don't believe he will ever develop into a legit franchise style QB who can make a run unless their roster is dominant top to bottom. I personally think Ward is a lot better prospect from what I've seen. Ward makes boneheaded decisions, but I don't ever see him running around with his head cut off like I have with Murray.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 Carter look like a great prospect but also feels a bit over hyped as "generational" Looks like a good pass rusher and maybe David Long-esque in the TFL category. But seems small, played a ton of games to compile those stats and not sure if he's the every down type or not. Not saying he isnt a legitimate high 1st rounder or wont be a very good player. But to be head and shoulders above everyone like he's being hyped... this either has to be a shit draft or some massive over-hyping. No1TitansFan, and Kcroy420 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 Just now, titanruss said: Carter look like a great prospect but also feels a bit over hyped as "generational" Looks like a good pass rusher and maybe David Long-esque in the TFL category. But seems small, played a ton of games to compile those stats and not sure if he's the every down type or not. Not saying he isnt a legitimate high 1st rounder or wont be a very good player. But to be head and shoulders above everyone like he's being hyped... this either has to be a shit draft or some massive over-hyping. His ceiling is a 15 plus sack guy in the Von Miller mode. His bend is really similar, and I bet his ten yard split will be damn near identical. Strictly as an edge rusher he's about as can't miss as you can get. kgsTitan, titanruss, and rns90 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Thinking about Kyler being Wilson lite a bit more and I see your point. I've never liked Murray and don't believe he will ever develop into a legit franchise style QB who can make a run unless their roster is dominant top to bottom. I personally think Ward is a lot better prospect from what I've seen. Ward makes boneheaded decisions, but I don't ever see him running around with his head cut off like I have with Murray.. I want to dig deeper into Ward but Murray is the first guy I thought of when I watched his film. Wilson at the same stage was a lot more sound as a pure passer/decision maker. Now this is where Callahan of course can earn his keep. Ward seems to have a ton of intangibles like leadership and hard work/grinder stuff so maybe he can be coached up to take the undisciplined stuff out of his game. rns90, IsntLifeFunny, and Justafan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 Just now, IsntLifeFunny said: His ceiling is a 15 plus sack guy in the Von Miller mode. His bend is really similar, and I bet his ten yard split will be damn near identical. Strictly as an edge rusher he's about as can't miss as you can get. He’s a great consolation prize if we ultimately don’t like the qbs. They do have an out in that it’s a multi year rebuild. Since the HC and new GM haven’t really scouted the qbs yet, it’s kind of weird to have these tweets saying the Titans have Ward at the top etc. IsntLifeFunny, and titanruss 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 3 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: I want to dig deeper into Ward but Murray is the first guy I thought of when I watched his film. Wilson at the same stage was a lot more sound as a pure passer/decision maker. Now this is where Callahan of course can earn his keep. Ward seems to have a ton of intangibles like leadership and hard work/grinder stuff so maybe he can be coached up to take the undisciplined stuff out of his game. This is a minor thing but he’s better built as a qb. Murray is still undersized for a qb. I wonder though if they might prefer Sanders over Ward. He was always a better fit for Callahan’s offense and nothing has changed there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: I want to dig deeper into Ward but Murray is the first guy I thought of when I watched his film. Wilson at the same stage was a lot more sound as a pure passer/decision maker. Now this is where Callahan of course can earn his keep. Ward seems to have a ton of intangibles like leadership and hard work/grinder stuff so maybe he can be coached up to take the undisciplined stuff out of his game. As you noted, the poise he shows out there lends to the decision making process not looking like Levis where he's just trip wired and says fuck it. What I see is a guy pressing in spots where he doesn't trust his defense to lose the game, with good cause, so he forces plays. To further just a bit, one thing I noticed was a lot of the bad plays were in the first half. When it came to the 4th quarter and 2 minutes situations he was absolute money. Edited January 24 by IsntLifeFunny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 7 minutes ago, rns90 said: He’s a great consolation prize if we ultimately don’t like the qbs. They do have an out in that it’s a multi year rebuild. Since the HC and new GM haven’t really scouted the qbs yet, it’s kind of weird to have these tweets saying the Titans have Ward at the top etc. It's all bullshit for the next few months lol and if the FO is doing their job they'll be the ones stoking the fire the most. rns90 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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