Titans Training Camp and Preseason Discussion

[Callidus]

Just now, reo said:

 

It would seem that having someone like Skoronski next to him would help alleviate some of those concerns once they get into games/game planning and improving communication. And then he can continue to work on those things as he gets more time to learn and improve under BillC. 

 

Not really worried about this at this point.

Skronski has his own man. Latham isnt missing the inside move because he expects help. He does it because his lateral movement isnt odeal and he goes to far one way or the other. Generally outside. 

[reo]

Just now, Callidus said:

Skronski has his own man. Latham isnt missing the inside move because he expects help. He does it because his lateral movement isnt odeal and he goes to far one way or the other. Generally outside. 

 

I get what you're saying but this isn't man to man single up blocking 24/7. It's much more complicated than that. There can be help inside as OL help and hand ppl off all the time. That just depends on they scheme and how they're setting things up. If Latham is going up against someone w/ a good inside move... give him more help inside. Then as he improves his technique, you start to give him less help on those types of things. It's not the end of the world if someone has a weakness 2 months into their pro career.

[oldschool]

4 minutes ago, Callidus said:

Skronski has his own man. Latham isnt missing the inside move because he expects help. He does it because his lateral movement isnt odeal and he goes to far one way or the other. Generally outside. 

 

Normal growing pains moving from College RT to Pro LT. IF he can't make the switch its on Carthon and Callahan. You may want wait to pound your chest until we know more... LOL at using a few reps from twitter reports to claim you were right 3 weeks into Latham's first training camp. 

[TheBukafax]

12 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

He's a rookie going against pros for the first time. Like I said too many of you have unrealistic expectations. The guys going against Latham get paid too.... Again the overall consensus out of camp is that Latham has been as advertised and yet because he had a few suspect reps against the Seahawks, now all of sudden lateral movement is a terminal flaw? Again tell me you have never coached sports without telling me you have never coached sports. 

All of a sudden? It’s been a terminal flaw in his game in college as well. I don’t need to coach sports to understand it is highly unlikely somebody who has been training to do this at a high level since high school will increase their agility. There’s a reason Latham didn’t run any agility testing, his 3 cone would be atrocious.

 

Im sure Ridley will be coached this year to beat press man too.

 

His lateral agility is going to be an issue. If it’s an issue against slow Leonard Williams wtf is he going to do against more athletic edges?

[Callidus]

15 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

Normal growing pains moving from College RT to Pro LT. IF he can't make the switch its on Carthon and Callahan. You may want wait to pound your chest until we know more... LOL at using a few reps from twitter reports to claim you were right 3 weeks into Latham's first training camp. 

 

16 minutes ago, reo said:

 

I get what you're saying but this isn't man to man single up blocking 24/7. It's much more complicated than that. There can be help inside as OL help and hand ppl off all the time. That just depends on they scheme and how they're setting things up. If Latham is going up against someone w/ a good inside move... give him more help inside. Then as he improves his technique, you start to give him less help on those types of things. It's not the end of the world if someone has a weakness 2 months into their pro career.

I should have said it a little more clearly. Im not expecting him to fail. I was "thumping my chest" at his obvious weak point coming out. I can be right without being Oman screaming that a player is the shit you throw into the trash after you make a bowl of dip for your grilled chesse. 

Edited August 16, 2024 by Callidus

[TheBukafax]

3 minutes ago, Callidus said:

 

I should have said it a little more clearly. Im not expecting him to fail. I was "thumping my chest" at his obvious weak point coming out. I can be right without being Oman screaming that a player is the shit you throw into the trash after you make a bowl of dip for your grilled chesse. 

This.

[oldschool]

2 minutes ago, TheBukafax said:

All of a sudden? It’s been a terminal flaw in his game in college as well. I don’t need to coach sports to understand it is highly unlikely somebody who has been training to do this at a high level since high school will increase their agility. There’s a reason Latham didn’t run any agility testing, his 3 cone would be atrocious.

 

Im sure Ridley will be coached this year to beat press man too.

 

His lateral agility is going to be an issue. If it’s an issue against slow Leonard Williams wtf is he going to do against more athletic edges?

 

We don't if its terminal. Assuming an athlete is a finished product at 21 is absurd. I have no issues with you or others voicing an opinion but acting like its written in stone because a guy had a few bad reps in his first camp is laughable. Trust me, you aren't that smart and you surely don't know ball to that degree. I didn't like the Latham pick and I have concerns if he can make the switch to LT. I'm not over here acting like I was right based on a few reps.

[TheBukafax]

2 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

We don't if its terminal. Assuming an athlete is a finished product at 21 is absurd. I have no issues with you or others voicing an opinion but acting like its written in stone because a guy had a few bad reps in his first camp is laughable. Trust me, you aren't that smart and you surely don't know ball to that degree. I didn't like the Latham pick and I have concerns if he can make the switch to LT. I'm not over here acting like I was right based on a few reps.

I hope you use this for Levis as well. We don’t know if Levis’ decision making and accuracy issues are terminal. He’s only having a few bad reps in camp with those issues, no big deal, he’s still growing, etc. Even though we know from historical data how rare it is for a QB to jump in accuracy.

 

Nobody is trying to act “right”. Any analyst will tell you in college he suffered from terrible lateral agility which led to him getting beat inside. That is concerning, people voiced those concerns. He didn’t test for agility, yet again concerning. He has a HoF OL coach that could supposedly support his lateral agility deficiency. He has reps in practice with his known weakness being exposed by a slower DE. Compound that altogether and you have a long existing trend based around an athletic trait.

 

Pointing out that it is continuing should be no different than pointing out Levi’s’ issues.

[oldschool]

5 minutes ago, TheBukafax said:

I hope you use this for Levis as well. We don’t know if Levis’ decision making and accuracy issues are terminal. He’s only having a few bad reps in camp with those issues, no big deal, he’s still growing, etc. Even though we know from historical data how rare it is for a QB to jump in accuracy.

 

Nobody is trying to act “right”. Any analyst will tell you in college he suffered from terrible lateral agility which led to him getting beat inside. That is concerning, people voiced those concerns. He didn’t test for agility, yet again concerning. He has a HoF OL coach that could supposedly support his lateral agility deficiency. He has reps in practice with his known weakness being exposed by a slower DE. Compound that altogether and you have a long existing trend based around an athletic trait.

 

Pointing out that it is continuing should be no different than pointing out Levi’s’ issues.

 

Latham is a cleaner prospect which is why he went top 10 but yes, this applies to Levis as well. 1st-3rd rounders are drafted to be immediate or eventual starters. Writing any of them off day one is stupid. We may be right about Latham not being able to play LT in the NFL. We are most likely right about Levis never being a franchise QB based on statistical probabilities. Ultimately both guys will show in game reps whether they can be what they were drafted to be. 

[SleepingTitan]

12 hours ago, Justafan said:

Devin Hester was a 2nd round pick and an immediate playmaker. Lol.

Correct. And NWI is not. Was not. Will not be. Just no upside with NWI guys. Gotta let him go so he can fill in for a team that doesn't have any depth at receiver. Titans actually have that right now. 

[SleepingTitan]

5 hours ago, oldschool said:

 

Hester was a 2nd rounder lol.

That is not the fucking point of what I said

[oldschool]

8 minutes ago, SleepingTitan said:

That is not the fucking point of what I said

 

it was a poorly constructed point. 

[Bulluck4dmvp]

Leonard Williams is not slow lol

[titanskick8851]

 

[SleepingTitan]

14 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

it was a poorly constructed point. 

Ok. Antonio Brown then.