Titans secure picks #7 and #38 in the 2024 NFL Draft

[titanskick8851]

58 minutes ago, Justafan said:

Odunze is getting more buzz than Nabers around the league according to some reports. He has elite size to speed ratio and he was more productive than Nabers in a less prolific offense.

 

I'm not advocating for Nabers over Odunze. I'm no professional scout, but I do think the gap is smaller than some seem to think. 

 

If you look at the Average Ranking of prospects a lot of analyst currently prefer Odunze to Nabers. If Nabers kills the combine as expected and Odunze runs slower than expected Nabers could easily jump him in their eyes, BUT Odunze and Nabers are closer level prospects than either of them to the #4 WR.

[Mythos27]

Yeah Odunze to me seems like a slightly lesser version of Chris Olave who I really liked coming out but I wouldn't have taken either in the top 15. Nabers, I liked more but his lack oh physicality is very underplayed. In the tape I saw, he was constantly knocked off of his route and physical DBs gave him a hard time. He also did a lot of his damage out of the slot rather than out wide in what I saw. Maybe I'm being harsh but I don't think either guy was the prospect I expected. MHJ was as advertised and I actually ended up liking Brian Thomas Jr more slightly more than both Nabers and Odunze. It's early and maybe I'm way off but just my 2 cents. I'm only 5 receivers in but so far the class seems slightly over-sold to me. None of the guys seems "generational". IMO Devonta Smith was easily a better prospect than all of them if you overlooked his weight. I think taking Alt at 7 is the easy choice given these receivers. 

Edited February 15, 2024 by Mythos27

[stormi]

1 hour ago, Justafan said:

Odunze is getting more buzz than Nabers around the league according to some reports. He has elite size to speed ratio and he was more productive than Nabers in a less prolific offense.

 

I'm not advocating for Nabers over Odunze. I'm no professional scout, but I do think the gap is smaller than some seem to think. 

 

LSU threw the ball considerably less than Washington did.

 

Something like by 200+ attempts.

 

Not only is Malik Nabers younger than Rome Odunze, he's been decisively more productive than his counterpart at each comparable college season. He also accounted for a much larger target share of his teams offense, which has been the main drawbacks on Odunze.

Nabers hauled in ~40% of Daniels passes this season, whereas Odunze was at ~27% from Penix. He also found the endzone more.

 

Both are top prospects, but to me one is clearly more impressive. I don't have Nabers that far away from MHJ at all, who is trending into the overrated bracket for me.

Edited February 15, 2024 by stormi

[Mythos27]

22 minutes ago, stormi said:

 

LSU threw the ball considerably less than Washington did.

 

Something like by 200+ attempts.

 

Not only is Malik Nabers younger than Rome Odunze, he's been decisively more productive than his counterpart at each comparable college season. He also accounted for a much larger target share of his teams offense, which has been the main drawbacks on Odunze.

Nabers hauled in ~40% of Daniels passes this season, whereas Odunze was at ~27% from Penix. He also found the endzone more.

 

Both are top prospects, but to me one is clearly more impressive. I don't have Nabers that far away from MHJ at all, who is trending into the overrated bracket for me.

It's jarring to me that Penix and Daniels are such highly regarded prospects because they both held their respective receivers back a ton. Daniels took off and ran every chance he got and Odunze spent most of his time stretching out and diving for horrifically inaccurate deep balls from Daniels. It was honestly annoying evaluating both of these guys. Either I'm seriously missing something or both of those QBs fucking suck. 

Edited February 15, 2024 by Mythos27

[reo]

24 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

Yeah Odunze to me seems like a slightly lesser version of Chris Olave who I really liked coming out but I wouldn't have taken either in the top 15. Nabers, I liked more but his lack oh physicality is very underplayed. In the tape I saw, he was constantly knocked off of his route and physical DBs gave him a hard time. He also did a lot of his damage out of the slot rather than out wide in what I saw. Maybe I'm being harsh but I don't think either guy was the prospect I expected. MHJ was as advertised and I actually ended up liking Brian Thomas Jr more slightly more than both Nabers and Odunze. It's early and maybe I'm way off but just my 2 cents. I'm only 5 receivers in but so far the class seems slightly over-sold to me. None of the guys seems "generational". IMO Devonta Smith was easily a better prospect than all of them if you overlooked his weight. I think taking Alt at 7 is the easy choice given these receivers. 

 

Nabers and Harrison are the only 2 I like so far. When I watched Nabers, he actually reminds me of Ja'Marr Chase in a lot of ways so i looked up Chase's draft eval and his eval's negatives actually match similar to what you're talking about here too which I thought was interesting.

 

Odunze just doesn't impress me.

[Mythos27]

10 minutes ago, reo said:

 

Nabers and Harrison are the only 2 I like so far. When I watched Nabers, he actually reminds me of Ja'Marr Chase in a lot of ways so i looked up Chase's draft eval and his eval's negatives actually match similar to what you're talking about here too which I thought was interesting.

 

Odunze just doesn't impress me.

Yeah,I actually like Odunze. I think he'll be a good receiver but he's the type where the play has to come to him. He's not going to just take a game over by making plays on his own. He'll be highly dependent on the QB he ends up with. If he's on a struggling team he'll be anonymous but he might be OK with an aggressive passer like Levis. I will also say that among the top 5 receivers, how little they're asked to do from a route-running perspective is makes it hard to evaluate them as route-runners. These guys run like 5 routes tops, go, slant, come-back, an occasional over route, and the very rare post. I think Nabers actually had the most diverse tree since he had some over routes and slants in there as well. In terms of route-running I'd say it goes, MHJ, Nabers, Odunze in that order. Nabers puts dudes in a blender on double moves and his insanely quick feet suggest he could develop into an incredible route-runner. MHJ is just so polished already though. 

Edited February 15, 2024 by Mythos27

[Justafan]

48 minutes ago, stormi said:

 

LSU threw the ball considerably less than Washington did.

 

Something like by 200+ attempts.

 

Not only is Malik Nabers younger than Rome Odunze, he's been decisively more productive than his counterpart at each comparable college season. He also accounted for a much larger target share of his teams offense, which has been the main drawbacks on Odunze.

Nabers hauled in ~40% of Daniels passes this season, whereas Odunze was at ~27% from Penix. He also found the endzone more.

 

Both are top prospects, but to me one is clearly more impressive. I don't have Nabers that far away from MHJ at all, who is trending into the overrated bracket for me.

Fair points. I hadn't realized that Daniels only had 320 passing attempts. Good stuff. 

[Callidus]

On 2/12/2024 at 5:17 PM, Pragidealist said:

 

Ok- cool.   Now that we know they are going LT- guess we can shut down the board for a few months. See you guys after the draft!  lol 

 

(Just a friendly reminder, nothing we say on here matters. It's all just fun speculation) 

It wouldn't be much of a collaboration if he didn't listen to our stupid ideas to

[stormi]

58 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

It's jarring to me that Penix and Daniels are such highly regarded prospects because they both held their respective receivers back a ton. Daniels took off and ran every chance he got and Odunze spent most of his time stretching out and diving for horrifically inaccurate deep balls from Daniels. It was honestly annoying evaluating both of these guys. Either I'm seriously missing something or both of those QBs fucking suck. 

 

I guess the buzz is now that McCarthy is shooting up boards into that QB2 spot? Hard for me to tell what's click generation and what is genuine intel from teams. 

The more of them that get stuffed up the boards the better for us regardless at #7 and #38.

[stormi]

35 minutes ago, Justafan said:

Fair points. I hadn't realized that Daniels only had 320 passing attempts. Good stuff. 

 

Yea, the physical traits with Odunze are extremely impressive and much smarter people than me really like him, so I'm sure we'll be happy if that is who we end up selecting.

[FireInTheHole]

5 minutes ago, stormi said:

 

Yea, the physical traits with Odunze are extremely impressive and much smarter people than me really like him, so I'm sure we'll be happy if that is who we end up selecting.

I really like Odunze, but i would also love Nabers. 

[cenj]

I'm high on Odunze. The more I watch him, the more I think he translates to the NFL and can be a dominant #1 WR. I want a LT, but I'd be pretty stoked if we took him as I think he could end up being the best WR in the class.

[Justafan]

6 minutes ago, FireInTheHole said:

I really like Odunze, but i would also love Nabers. 

Yea, I'm not a scout and I'm not banging the drum for any guy in particular. I just know the Titans have to get this right. There is a ton of talent at the top of this draft at positions where the Titans have a dire need. Reality is some of these guys will not live up to expectations. Titans HAVE to find the guy who will, and they have to have a FA and draft plan that converge to build the vision that Cally spoke about. 

[charleytolar]

On 2/12/2024 at 6:31 PM, Pragidealist said:

 

It has nothing to do with believing you can coach a guy up or not. It's saying, if he decides to pass on someone-  no one else is likely to know better. 

Could it be possible that you are underestimating the gaggle of Keyboard Experts that congregate back here? I know they think you are...

[reo]

Tulane C Sincere Haynesworth.... is that Albert Haynesworth's son? I'm thinking no b/c I only found 3 kids of AH but when I google sincere haynesworth dad, Albert Haynesworth shows up.

 

Just curious b/c we could use a center but... that'd be pretty funny imo if he's AH's son.