Titans secure picks #7 and #38 in the 2024 NFL Draft

[AussieTitanFan08]

51 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said:

I agree in general you should get good players and worry later, your arguments are just all over the place

 

You think drafting a RT in the top 5 is fine, but have an issue with drafting a G at 11

 

Your rational seems to be the RTs are paid as much as LTs so they are far more important, the top 10 Gs average pay is just below the top 10 RTs!

 

I am of the belief that you shouldn't draft a G, RT, RB etc in the top 10 unless you desperately need to arrest a slide in talent and there are absolute sure things on the board

 

And yes, it will be an issue down the line if you have to pay two top flight tackles, especially if you're a good team. We saw that very thing happen with the Titans

 

The original discussion emanated from the growing belief from a number here that none of the teams in front of the Titans are serious threats to take an OT.

 

And in the very specific scenario that saw Marvin Harrison Jr selected at #3 that it would be foolish to rule out a flow on effect that led to any out of the Cardinals, Chargers, Giants selecting an OT in this draft.

 

In respects to these two elite OT prospects in this particular 2024 draft class yes I would have zero issue if any out of the Cardinals, Chargers, Giants took one of them even if it meant they were going to be partnered on the opposite side by a former highly drafted OT prospect.

 

We are in a current environment where teams are crying out for even adequate OL play and whether some of us are not fans of drafting G high or RT high teams are going to pump significant draft resources and FA money into the OL in the search of the ability to throw a functional unit on the field every Sunday.

Edited January 12, 2024 by AussieTitanFan08

[BTiger3733]

Here's a lengthy article from 2013 about LTs being overvalued vs. RTs if you guys really want to dive in

https://www.pff.com/news/examining-pressure-are-left-tackles-overvalued

 

Essentially, the blindside is made out to be more than it actually is. The blindside is more dependent on which part of the field the QB is looking and where he is in the pocket rather than which arm he throws with.

 

Additionally, the idea that blindside pressure is always worse than other pressure is a fallacy. Pressure in the face of a QB disrupts timing, accuracy, and rhythm while also creating more blindside sacks due the QB having to move from his spot in the pocket to avoid the pressure. Blindside pressure often goes unrecognized and the play in unaffected.

[IrishTitansFan]

3 minutes ago, BTiger3733 said:

Here's a lengthy article from 2013 about LTs being overvalued vs. RTs if you guys really want to dive in

https://www.pff.com/news/examining-pressure-are-left-tackles-overvalued

 

Essentially, the blindside is made out to be more than it actually is. The blindside is more dependent on which part of the field the QB is looking and where he is in the pocket rather than which arm he throws with.

 

Additionally, the idea that blindside pressure is always worse than other pressure is a fallacy. Pressure in the face of a QB disrupts timing, accuracy, and rhythm while also creating more blindside sacks due the QB having to move from his spot in the pocket to avoid the pressure. Blindside pressure often goes unrecognized and the play in unaffected.

I agree you should have a good pass protector on both sides of the line, but the reality is it is still easier to find a good RT cheaply

 

Value plays a big role in your draft strategy, so until RT and LT become equal in terms of value I'd still hedge my bets by getting one later or cheaper

[oldschool]

No one is saying you don't need a good RT. The entire point is that they are easier to find later in the 1st and in the draft in general. Its still a non premium position and isn't anywhere near as important as LT. Did the last two years not prove that to you guys? Hubbard was fine a RT until he got hurt. Radunz did okay toward the end of the year once the false starts stopped. LT crippled this offense for the better part of two seasons.

[Justafan]

7 hours ago, AussieTitanFan08 said:

 

This simply is not true 4 of the top 10 paid OT are RT.

 

If you want to expand it out further 9 of the top 20 are RT.

https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/3/8/23631268/are-right-tackles-gaining-in-value-compared-to-left-tackles

 

The article I pulled up averaged LTs at 16.9 vs. 9.3 for RT for the top 10 at their position as of 2022.

 

Maybe some contracts have gone through since then, but if that's true, it will even out as soon as some of the big-name LTs get new contracts.

 

Regardless, historically LTs have always been paid more than RTs. 

 

 

[ChemEngr79]

5 hours ago, IrishTitansFan said:

 

The issue I would have with trying to get generational players in back to back drafts at OT, what happens when they become generational as you say and you have to pay them at the same time? Are you going to sink 60 million per year of your cap into those positions? That would be a tough sell if you have a good ream and serviceable RTs can be found later in the draft. You would have to build the rest of the OL extremely cheaply

 

A counter-point is that we found a way to pay both Roos and Stewert top dollar and didn't have to worry about OT for many years...if you have premier tackles, you simply pay them both and be damn glad to have them.

 

Edited January 12, 2024 by ChemEngr79

[oldschool]

7 hours ago, AussieTitanFan08 said:

 

The original discussion emanated from the growing belief from a number here that none of the teams in front of the Titans are serious threats to take an OT.

 

And in the very specific scenario that saw Marvin Harrison Jr selected at #3 that it would be foolish to rule out a flow on effect that led to any out of the Cardinals, Chargers, Giants selecting an OT in this draft.

 

In respects to these two elite OT prospects in this particular 2024 draft class yes I would have zero issue if any out of the Cardinals, Chargers, Giants took one of them even if it meant they were going to be partnered on the opposite side by a former highly drafted OT prospect.

 

We are in a current environment where teams are crying out for even adequate OL play and whether some of us are not fans of drafting G high or RT high teams are going to pump significant draft resources and FA money into the OL in the search of the ability to throw a functional unit on the field every Sunday.

 

You are painting with a broad brush.

 

Cards - spent the #6 pick on Johnson last year with the idea he'll take over for the current aging LT in the next year or two. You are now saying they could take another LT #3 the very next year and keep Johnson at RT

Chargers - Have a young top 10 LT already in Slater. will they spend #5 on a LT and move Slater to RT? Possible

Giants - drafted Thomas #4 in 2020, current LT. Drafted Neal #7 in 2022 to play RT (LOLOLOL) and he hasn't panned out. Will the Giants burn another top 10 pick on RT to replace a guy they drafted 2 years ago?

 

Here is the point. Its possible the two LTs go before the Titans pick at #7 however the 3 teams in front of them all have established LTs or in the case of the Cards, a successor in place and the top 3 teams badly need QBs with two awesome QB prospects. Daniels is the wildcard imo. if the Pats don't go Daniels I could see them going LT which would open the door for the Titans to miss out but I'd be surprised. Picking 7th isn't ideal when needing to land the top LT in the draft but the board is setup this year for Alt to fall to #7, lets hope he does.

Edited January 12, 2024 by oldschool

[Mythos27]

On 1/11/2024 at 12:17 PM, AussieTitanFan08 said:

A bit of a surprise here.

 

 

That's too bad. I really like this kid. I liked him much better than JSN last year. 

[Mythos27]

Guys as long as the league thinks LT is more important/valuable than RT that's what it is. On the field, the value might be a lot closer than people think but as long as LTs keep getting paid more than RTs and the league feels they are harder to find, the gap won't close. As things stand it's simply easier and cheaper to find a competent RT in free agency and the draft than LT. 

[Justafan]

7 hours ago, BTiger3733 said:

Here's a lengthy article from 2013 about LTs being overvalued vs. RTs if you guys really want to dive in

https://www.pff.com/news/examining-pressure-are-left-tackles-overvalued

 

Essentially, the blindside is made out to be more than it actually is. The blindside is more dependent on which part of the field the QB is looking and where he is in the pocket rather than which arm he throws with.

 

Additionally, the idea that blindside pressure is always worse than other pressure is a fallacy. Pressure in the face of a QB disrupts timing, accuracy, and rhythm while also creating more blindside sacks due the QB having to move from his spot in the pocket to avoid the pressure. Blindside pressure often goes unrecognized and the play in unaffected.

It's more about where the defense tends to line up their best pass rusher. That's usually going to be on the left side. Obviously, things have changed, and schemes have evolved, which is why RTs have been getting drafted higher and paid more and more each year.

 

Having said that, LT is still usually the premium position and RT traditionally doesn't need to be as good because he can get help from the TE. Of course, that only works if you already have a LT who can play on an island. 

[headhunter]

LT is the second most important position on the team 

[rns90]

2 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

Guys as long as the league thinks LT is more important/valuable than RT that's what it is. On the field, the value might be a lot closer than people think but as long as LTs keep getting paid more than RTs and the league feels they are harder to find, the gap won't close. As things stand it's simply easier and cheaper to find a competent RT in free agency and the draft than LT. 

Also more RT hit the FA market as opposed to LT.  I mean you rarely get a LT who can start at a highish (or competent level) hit the UFA market.  RT hit  the market every year it seems.

[oldschool]

@AussieTitanFan08 I can quote random mocks too!

 

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/story/2024-01-12/2024-nfl-mock-draft-caleb-williams-tops-two-round-projections-entering-super-wild-card-weekend

 

https://walterfootball.com/draft2024.php

[OzTitan]

Didn't the Cards trade up for Johnson last year? A guy who is probably the 3rd best LT prospect in this class. I'd be more concerned the LTs will be trade up targets ahead of #7.

[Mythos27]

1 hour ago, rns90 said:

Also more RT hit the FA market as opposed to LT.  I mean you rarely get a LT who can start at a highish (or competent level) hit the UFA market.  RT hit  the market every year it seems.

Exactly. The gap between LT and RT is one of market value. Markets don't always reflect utility.