Levis named the starter moving forward

[BudsOilers]

3 minutes ago, Titans279 said:

For the record, some of us pointed out how dumb most ABT plans were that weren’t drafting a rookie.
 

You can say Garoppolo played better, but we’d still be paying Tannehill 18m right now plus whatever we paid Garoppolo (he got 3 years/73m from LV), who also got benched for a rookie. It would have been a dumb decision to do “ABT” and most the options were just as bad or worse outcomes for the team.

 

Ran made the right decision when he told Tannehill “where he stood” with the team.  
 

I assume it was something like play like you did before and stay healthy and you can have a future here. Well, neither happened. 
 

Levis was the backup plan because there’s no way you could bank on a 35 year old injured Tannehill returning to form. That was the major dumb take from the “brain trust”

Isn't there a poll from the beginning of the year where most people voted that Tannehill would be the 2024 starter......

 

And didn't Jamal himself say that the 2023 team would win 11 games and Tannehill likely was in line to be back in 2024.....

 

[Titans279]

8 minutes ago, scine09 said:

The problem is that Tannehill wasn't good enough then nor was he good enough at any point in his career to win with consistently unless he had a ton of help.  It's why he's always been considered mostly a tier 3 QB.  I still don't think the Titans ever thought that Tannehill was a building block.  He was a solid QB that you can win with, but he was never going to be THE reason or a big reason like some of these elite QBs are.  Obviously all QBs need help.  Even Patrick Mahomes.  But the likes of Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Rodgers, Lawrence, Herbert, etc can do it with a lot less help than Tannehill needs.  I hope that makes sense.

I think you’re overrating a lot of those QBs. Herbert has a better roster and they have one more win than us and we beat them head to head! The jags roster is better than ours… most QBs need good rosters around them. 
 

Not to say I ever put Tannehill above tier 2, I just think people give into the green lantern theory of QBs too often. 

[Jamalisms]

1 minute ago, BudsOilers said:

Isn't there a poll from the beginning of the year where most people voted that Tannehill would be the 2024 starter......

 

And didn't Jamal himself say that the 2023 team would win 11 games and Tannehill likely was in line to be back in 2024.....

 

Look! A squirrel!

[big2033]

Just now, Titans279 said:

I think you’re overrating a lot of those QBs. Herbert has a better roster and they have one more win than us and we beat them head to head! The jags roster is better than ours… most QBs need good rosters around them. 
 

Not to say I ever put Tannehill above tier 2, I just think people give into the green lantern theory of QBs too often. 

 

Don't do the "we beat them" thing. Herbert is a better QB and if you want to see a QB with bad coaching, that's it. 

 

However, do some researching and you'll find some how the star QBs magically have better rosters. Crazy how that happens.

[Mythos27]

5 minutes ago, scine09 said:

The problem is that Tannehill wasn't good enough then nor was he good enough at any point in his career to win with consistently unless he had a ton of help.  It's why he's always been considered mostly a tier 3 QB.  I still don't think the Titans ever thought that Tannehill was a building block.  He was a solid QB that you can win with, but he was never going to be THE reason or a big reason like some of these elite QBs are.  Obviously all QBs need help.  Even Patrick Mahomes.  But the likes of Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Rodgers, Lawrence, Herbert, etc can do it with a lot less help than Tannehill needs.  I hope that makes sense.

What you're saying makes sense but man, I just disagree with all of this. After that 2020 season the Titans most definitely saw Tannehill as a guy that could take them all the way and they were very much justified in doing so. The stats, the winning, the effect on Henry, etc were all indicators that you had a guy that could actually do something big. I don't think they saw him the way that you and most the football word saw him.  I also think that the level of talent of that 2020 team is a little overstated compared to their peers at the time. Sure, it was likely the most talented team we've seen since the McNair days but aside from AJ and Henry the rest of the offense wasn't that crazy talented compared to their peers.  

[scine09]

Just now, Titans279 said:

I think you’re overrating a lot of those QBs. Herbert has a better roster and they have one more win than us and we beat them head to head! The jags roster is better than ours… most QBs need good rosters around them. 
 

Not to say I ever put Tannehill above tier 2, I just think people give into the green lantern theory of QBs too often. 

Watch Herbert or Lawrence play.  Then watch Tannehill.  It's not even that close.  Tannehill's not putting a team on his shoulders the way those two can.  He's been in this league for 12 years now, missing only one.  He's never been able to do it.  Yes, he provided an upgrade in 2019 when Mariota was struggling.  But to suggest that Tannehill is capable of putting a team on his shoulders like the others I referenced have all done is ignoring 10 plus years of games and playoff struggles.

[oldschool]

4 minutes ago, SleepingTitan said:

Don't forget yall gave Tannehill credit for even Henry's success. Then a year later told everyone that teams don't stack boxes to defend the run. Both can't be true, and that's not even my point. 

 

My point is that you can't give a guy credit for success and then not give him credit for the failure later. 

 

man you keep making shit up. let me help you

 

- Henry is awesome

- The Offense exploded when Tannehill became the starter

- Tannehill was great in 2019-2020, good in 2021, regressed in 2022, and regressed more in 2023

Tannehill 100% shit the bed against the Bengals and is the primary reason they lost that game.

- during the regression period, some of it is due to surrounding cast, injury, and Tannehill himself. We'll never know the percentages

- Henry doesn't dictate stacked boxes

- Henry doesn't affect PA

- the above doesn't have anything to do with Henry. Its weak argument you and others who don't understand football use

 

Stop with bullshit claims Tannehill wasn't held accountable by the vast majority of the board. there are less than 5 posters who don't think Tannehill blew the Bengals game and that he's the same QB now he was 3 years ago.

 

[BudsOilers]

Just now, scine09 said:

I liked about what?  You're literally the first person I've ever seen use that term.  I'm fine if it's a term that's used but the next I hear an analyst use it will be the first time.  And I do think much of what you post here is a way of either being contrarian, defending Tannehill, or both.  You made a thread after the Falcons game just to say that Levis did exactly what Tannehill did.  You want to discredit Levis any way possible.  Why?  Because any success Levis has goes against your constant narrative.  There's very little chance you're ever going to admit that Tannehill was never an elite QB.  And again, if that's your opinion, that's fine.  I don't happen to agree with it but whatever.

If you think I'm the only one who's ever used the term conflicted downs in football talk, you're stupid.  Read more.

 

And as for your opinions of what I post, I really don't care because I don't respect your football thoughts.  We mock your stuff.

 

With Levis, I correctly pointed out that the offense/play calling/production vs ATL was the same as vs the Chargers and Bengals when plenty were claiming it was totally different.  I also pointed out the home/road splits before the Steelers game, didn't I?  Did they not produce in line with those number?   Yes they did.

 

Just because YOU have a narrative/bias about my posting doesn't make it true.  In fact, it isn't.  And if you go back, I was spot on about the Mariota and Mettenberger "contrarian" views back in the day because I, unlike yourself, know what the fuck I am talking about.

[scine09]

Just now, Mythos27 said:

What you're saying makes sense but man, I just disagree with all of this. After that 2020 season the Titans most definitely saw Tannehill as a guy that could take them all the way and they were very much justified in doing so. The stats, the winning, the effect on Henry, etc were all indicators that you had a guy that could actually do something big. I don't think they saw him the way that you and most the football word saw him.  I also think that the level of talent of that 2020 team is a little overstated compared to their peers at the time. Sure, it was likely the most talented team we've seen since the McNair days but aside from AJ and Henry the rest of the offense wasn't that crazy talented compared to their peers.  

He did well with what they asked him to do.  Despite what some fans want to say about Vrabel, they built the perfect offense for him, using his skills as well as could be.  But the times he's been asked to carry the team without the benefit of the run game it hasn't worked out.  I'm not trying to downplay his Titans career, I think it was very good and certainly well above expectations.  But I think there was a significant amount of overrating done, particularly in 2020 as I thought he was better in 2019.

[big2033]

If you told anyone else that the best year, by far, a QB had in his career was, at the same time running back ran for 2,000-yards what do you think they'd be thinking? 

 

 

[oldschool]

2 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

What you're saying makes sense but man, I just disagree with all of this. After that 2020 season the Titans most definitely saw Tannehill as a guy that could take them all the way and they were very much justified in doing so. The stats, the winning, the effect on Henry, etc were all indicators that you had a guy that could actually do something big. I don't think they saw him the way that you and most the football word saw him.  I also think that the level of talent of that 2020 team is a little overstated compared to their peers at the time. Sure, it was likely the most talented team we've seen since the McNair days but aside from AJ and Henry the rest of the offense wasn't that crazy talented compared to their peers.  

 

The 2020 offense just fit together perfectly. it was a classic example of the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

[scine09]

Just now, BudsOilers said:

If you think I'm the only one who's ever used the term conflicted downs in football talk, you're stupid.  Read more.

 

And as for your opinions of what I post, I really don't care because I don't respect your football thoughts.  We mock your stuff.

 

With Levis, I correctly pointed out that the offense/play calling/production vs ATL was the same as vs the Chargers and Bengals when plenty were claiming it was totally different.  I also pointed out the home/road splits before the Steelers game, didn't I?  Did they not produce in line with those number?   Yes they did.

 

Just because YOU have a narrative/bias about my posting doesn't make it true.  In fact, it isn't.  And if you go back, I was spot on about the Mariota and Mettenberger "contrarian" views back in the day because I, unlike yourself, know what the fuck I am talking about.

Oh well.  Not sure how I'll be able to go through the rest of the day knowing that a random person on the internet disagrees with a lot of my thoughts on football.

 

If you're seriously watching Levis play against Pittsburgh and think that Tannehill would've performed the same or better, then I don't know what to tell you, but I 100% would disagree.  I'm sure as heck not going to change your mind.  Just like you're not going to change mine.  I just don't get why you need to be hostile to everyone you don't agree with.

[oldschool]

2 minutes ago, scine09 said:

He did well with what they asked him to do.  Despite what some fans want to say about Vrabel, they built the perfect offense for him, using his skills as well as could be.  But the times he's been asked to carry the team without the benefit of the run game it hasn't worked out.  I'm not trying to downplay his Titans career, I think it was very good and certainly well above expectations.  But I think there was a significant amount of overrating done, particularly in 2020 as I thought he was better in 2019.

 

show us the data that backs this up in his good years. Prove Tannehill didn't have 4th quarter comebacks, throw the ball well on 3rd down when given time, move the chains, score TDs in the redzone etc... Your claim he didn't carry the team when needed is based on what? Or is your argument any good passing game Tannehill had was due to Henry? I'm giving you this once chance to make a case.

[big2033]

7 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

What you're saying makes sense but man, I just disagree with all of this. After that 2020 season the Titans most definitely saw Tannehill as a guy that could take them all the way and they were very much justified in doing so. The stats, the winning, the effect on Henry, etc were all indicators that you had a guy that could actually do something big. I don't think they saw him the way that you and most the football word saw him.  I also think that the level of talent of that 2020 team is a little overstated compared to their peers at the time. Sure, it was likely the most talented team we've seen since the McNair days but aside from AJ and Henry the rest of the offense wasn't that crazy talented compared to their peers.  

 

Yes, the Titans thought they could win a Super Bowl with Tannehill on the team. But when the playoffs began who was their go to? 

 

You guys couldn't see what we were doing and where we were hanging our playoff hopes not just in 2020 but in 2021?

 

And then the GMs echoing all our sentiments you all ignored it. Cossell ignored. Just time and time again you guys chose instead to cherry pick analytics to build your unbreakable narrative.

 

And yes, if most of the "football world" are telling you something, well shit, isn't it time to listen?

[scine09]

1 minute ago, oldschool said:

 

show us the data that backs this up in his good years. Prove Tannehill didn't have 4th quarter comebacks, throw the ball well on 3rd down when given time, move the chains, score TDs in the redzone etc... Your claim he didn't carry the team when needed is based on what? Or is your argument any good passing game Tannehill had was due to Henry? I'm giving you this once chance to make a case.

I don't need to and I'm not spending the time to do it.  I know he had a lot of 4th quarter comebacks and I know he made big throws.  But he was not the focal point for the offense and when he was asked to carry the team, like in the 2nd half of the KC playoff game or the Bengals game it didn't work.  The coaching staff limited the passing attempts in general and it worked.  They were 4th in scoring in 2020.  I am not trying to take anything away from the guy.  He was a solid quarterback for most of his time with the Titans.  It's when people try to call him elite that we end up with these disagreements.