Trump Indicted By DC Grand Jury

[Titandan]

3 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

Yeah, you've got the roles in the analogy wrong. You're right that he didn't owe Hillary anything. But in the analogy, Hillary is not the husband; you, I, and the rest of the American people are the husband that Trump attempted to cheat on (defraud). Hillary, or better said the dirt on Hillary is the inappropriate sex he was trying to procure. It's not illegal to dig up dirt on your opponent but it is illegal to allow a foreign power that is hostile to the U.S. to interfere in an election and that's exactly what Trump was poised to do had the Russians had the goods. There are also quid pro quo concerns unless anyone is naive enough to believe the Russians would do this out of the goodness of their hearts. The concern was that he had procured and used ill-gotten information to influence the minds of voters and by extension, the election. He was on his knees ready for it but the Russians had performance anxiety.

 

So he certainly colluded, but whether he engaged in an actual criminal conspiracy is a determination that Mueller approached but never reached. Collusion even if proven is not a prosecutable crime. Mueller did, however, implore congress to look into it because the things he found were concerning. Again, I implore you to read the Mueller report rather than rely of the summaries of others. 

So you claim that Trump colluded with Russia but the Durham report concluded that there was no proof of collusion and instead stated that there should have been no investigation to begin with because there was no actual evidence. 

Mueller Investigation also found no evidence of collusion. 

The analogy that you gave doesn't resonate with me because it presupposes that Trump is a cheating wife. 

I think a more appropriate analogy might be this. 

Two guys are pursuing the same girl.  One guy is Trump. Another is Hillary. Girl is the American people. 
Guy #1(Trump) is approached by a third party that they have dirt on guy #2(Hillary) that he's an unsavory character.  So guy #1 meets up with the third party but he's just bullshitting without any accusation or evidence of wrong doing.  So Guy #1 leaves because it's a waste of time.  

The girl and guy #2 find out that guy #1 met up with a third party for the purpose of messing up guy #2 and girl's relationship.  Girl and guy #2 might be pissed but nothing came of it.  Guy #1 might explain that he just wanted to look after the girl to make sure she's not hanging out with a bad person in guy #2 or he might just say he just liked the girl too much so he was tempted to hear about this dirt on his rival. 

Either way, it's a nothingburger. 

It would be fraud or evil if Trump ended up creating a fake accusation about Clinton and putting it on the news 24/7 with alleged evils of the Clinton campaign.  If Trump worked in conjunction with the FBI and other government organizations to dig up dirt on Clinton to stop her.  That would be truly nefarious.  

Oh wait. That's what the Obama admin and Clinton campaign did to Trump.  And not even a slap on the wrist for these bad actors.

[Titandan]

1 hour ago, Starkiller said:

It wasn’t up until a few months ago…

Because the partisan corrupt fucks were going after him in conjunction during his election year. 

We literally had a sexual predator, a murderer of an American citizen, and a war criminal in office the last couple decades. Why weren't they tried?  

I didn't give a shit even if these bastards did these things. It's not okay for us to go after our presidential rivals by weaponizing the law or with violence in the United States. That is until this year.  

If you can't agree with me here, I don't think we have much common ground on this issue. 

[WG53]

Proof has been provided and linked to. Your traitorous dumbass ignores it.

[Starkiller]

26 minutes ago, Titandan said:

Because the partisan corrupt fucks were going after him in conjunction during his election year. 

We literally had a sexual predator, a murderer of an American citizen, and a war criminal in office the last couple decades. Why weren't they tried?  

I didn't give a shit even if these bastards did these things. It's not okay for us to go after our presidential rivals by weaponizing the law or with violence in the United States. That is until this year.  

If you can't agree with me here, I don't think we have much common ground on this issue. 

It’s shit like this why no one here takes you seriously

[Titandan]

2 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

It’s shit like this why no one here takes you seriously

Feel free to disagree.  But to simply dismiss me because you have no argument, is really cowardly behavior.  I didn't think you were a pussy.  Prove me wrong.

[Starkiller]

4 minutes ago, Titandan said:

Feel free to disagree.  But to simply dismiss me because you have no argument, is really cowardly behavior.  I didn't think you were a pussy.  Prove me wrong.

I have plenty of arguments. I just don’t feel like wasting my time arguing with someone so distanced from fact and reality.

[Titandan]

1 minute ago, Starkiller said:

I have plenty of arguments. I just don’t feel like wasting my time arguing with someone so distanced from fact and reality.

Good night, Starkiller.  I love you, my long lost buddy

[OILERMAN]

Good thread. 

 

 

[OzTitan]

I guess this is why he didn't want to do the 60m minutes interview? pretty shameful

[Mythos27]

11 hours ago, Titandan said:

You know presidential immunity is a real thing, right?
Who was the last president that was prosecuted before Trump?

Doesn't mean I like it. I thought it was criminal when Obama drone stirked an American citizen. I thought Bush committed war crimes. I understand that presidents need a little latitude to do the job but they should not feel emboldened to do whatever the fuck they want, regardless of how illegal it might be. No one is above the law. 

[Mythos27]

9 hours ago, Titandan said:

So you claim that Trump colluded with Russia but the Durham report concluded that there was no proof of collusion and instead stated that there should have been no investigation to begin with because there was no actual evidence. 

Mueller Investigation also found no evidence of collusion. 

The analogy that you gave doesn't resonate with me because it presupposes that Trump is a cheating wife. 

I think a more appropriate analogy might be this. 

Two guys are pursuing the same girl.  One guy is Trump. Another is Hillary. Girl is the American people. 
Guy #1(Trump) is approached by a third party that they have dirt on guy #2(Hillary) that he's an unsavory character.  So guy #1 meets up with the third party but he's just bullshitting without any accusation or evidence of wrong doing.  So Guy #1 leaves because it's a waste of time.  

The girl and guy #2 find out that guy #1 met up with a third party for the purpose of messing up guy #2 and girl's relationship.  Girl and guy #2 might be pissed but nothing came of it.  Guy #1 might explain that he just wanted to look after the girl to make sure she's not hanging out with a bad person in guy #2 or he might just say he just liked the girl too much so he was tempted to hear about this dirt on his rival. 

Either way, it's a nothingburger. 

It would be fraud or evil if Trump ended up creating a fake accusation about Clinton and putting it on the news 24/7 with alleged evils of the Clinton campaign.  If Trump worked in conjunction with the FBI and other government organizations to dig up dirt on Clinton to stop her.  That would be truly nefarious.  

Oh wait. That's what the Obama admin and Clinton campaign did to Trump.  And not even a slap on the wrist for these bad actors.

The Trump tower meeting WAS collusion. The only thing that stopped the conspiracy was the Russians having nothing. Had the the Russian had the goods and Trump used it, that would've been prosecutable. Trump's people taking that meeting was improper and collusion in and of itself. What an innocent campaign would've done was refuse to meet with a hostile foreign power offering information that was intended to affect our election. My analogy works perfectly because it demonstrates the willingness to do something wrong and only being stopped by the other party. It demonstrates how open to corruption Trump is which should not be surprising to anyone not in complete denial. 

[ChesterCopperpot1]

11 hours ago, Titandan said:

You know presidential immunity is a real thing, right?
Who was the last president that was prosecuted before Trump?

Nixon was going to be prosecuted before Ford pardoned him. 
 

immunity is not endless. It applies to only acts within the scope of the office, like Obama and his drone strikes. 
 

trump trying to steal an election to cling to power is not within the scope of his office. 

Edited October 4, 2024 by ChesterCopperpot1

[Jamalisms]

Misinformation propaganda bot go brrrr.

[begooode]

1 hour ago, ChesterCopperpot1 said:

trump trying to steal an election to cling to power is not within the scope of his office. 

This x 100. Maga is fueled by beating down accountability through obfuscation, false equivalences, hostility and other bullshit tactics. But Trump acting on his behalf to retain power — to the point of encouraging physical attacks of his own VP — has nothing to do with the powers vested to the presidency. In fact he was acting destructively to usurp the powers of the constitution, the polar opposite of his oath to the office. 
 

Trumpers can play their mind games while swilling their propaganda to ease their dissonance, but they will never rewrite the history books of what they bought into during the Trump era. You’ve got Liz freakin’ Cheney, Judge Luttig, super conservatives et al having never voted for a democrat in their lifetimes in the same voting coalition as Bernie and AOC, not because they want to be voting for “the left”; but rather they realize they need to meet the moment and face down the destructive force that Trump represents to the country. 

[reo]

 

 

This should be common knowledge by now