Lamar gets franchise tagged - able to negotiate with other teams now

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

I said before the game I wanted them to win and then immediately asked the football gods for forgiveness for my blasphemy once I saw the game. 

 

It's funny because I used to live near Baltimore and I really like that city, a lot more than DC, and I think people that make Baltimore jokes are being classist (sometimes racist) assholes. I hate people that shit on cities that have felt hard times, like Baltimore, Cleveland, and Detroit. It feels unAmerican to me. Going to an Orioles game is a blast, even if I have some very annoying Os fans in my circle, way better than many DCs fans. Going to something like a Wizards game is an awful experience. 

 

And I  think there are likeable Ravens. I like Lamar more than most. I like Mark Andrews a lot and think his story as a player with T1 diabetes is really cool. 

 

A lot of things make me want to be sympathetic towards the Ratbirds. 

 

But fuck them. Fuck both Harbaughs, relentless tools. Fuck Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. I will never get over them beating us when it was our time. I will never get over them injuring Chris Johnson. I will never get over Steve and Mase as Ravens. 

 

Fuck em. 

Edited January 29, 2024 by Guest

[IsntLifeFunny]

6 minutes ago, rns90 said:

You wanted them to win?  WTF.  I don’t give a shit about that Taylor Swift stuff so KC doesn’t annoy me that much.

 

After saying all that ,  I’m sure we all laughed when Flowers fumbled.  The funny part afterwards was when he cut his hand on the bench in frustration after.

I made a mistake and asked the proper authorities for a pardon! I see that is not enough and bow my head in shame and ask for the board's forgiveness as well. It is a mistake I can never forgive myself for but I must try and live with the shame now. 

[IowaOiler]

1 hour ago, Hyperion said:

Difference is the Titans had nine sacks and basically dominated the game other than scoreboard.  I think Kansas City was clearly the better team yesterday. The Ravens didn't play to their ability but KC obviously had a lot to do with that.

 

That, and it wasn't in the AFCCG.

[BudsOilers]

There's a level of shame that won't go away for a while.....

 

[cenj]

Eh, I hate the Ravens and am not a huge Lamar fan, but some of the narratives here are crazy biased.

 

Lamar is being criticized for not being able to pass well enough to beat the Chiefs, who are headed to their 4th Superbowl in 5 years (the other two Mahomes-led years, the Chiefs lost in overtime of the AFC championships). Peyton Manning also choked in the playoffs for years and couldn't ever beat the Pats -- I'm not comparing the two QBs, but I am making the point that all QBs look worse against the best teams and best playoff defenses in the NFL.

 

The Ravens easily beat the Texans and their passing QB, an offense that barely scored 10 points. Those Texans demolished the Browns the week before and their traditional pocket passing Joe Flacco. Brock Purdy was atrocious last week and SF should have lost that game, but they managed to win, then squeaked out another win against Detroit to make another Superbowl (the Lions were dominating running the first half, and pass-first QB Goff led a totally anemic offense 2nd half). And let's not forget our own Tannehill playoff record and him totally falling apart in the playoffs -- lots of people on here defend those playoff losses and put the blame elsewhere.

 

The examples go on and on.

 

KC's defense is legit. They shut down the Miami offense and they dominated the Bills (more than the final score suggests). It really helps to have a Hall of Fame passing QB and a HOF coach; there are a ton of really good passing QBs who have looked terrible in big playoff games. 

 

But some of you are lying to yourselves because you don't want to admit he's better than you thought. They still had the best record in the NFL, won a playoff game handily, and almost made the Superbowl. Lamar isn't a great passing QB, but his overall skillset makes him still pretty damn effective.

Edited January 29, 2024 by cenj

[BudsOilers]

LOL.  Lamar's playoff resume speaks for itself....Massively overrated and you don't win SB's with that type of QB.  

['Nator]

2 hours ago, BudsOilers said:

LOL.  Lamar's playoff resume speaks for itself....Massively overrated and you don't win SB's with that type of QB.  

I understand the racial element to QB debates having grown up in an era where black QBs were having a hard time breaking in but good God.

 

These runner QBs who have some sort of passing deficiencies in some way, who have to have bullshit college offenses implemented around them-- how is it controversial to say that shit isn't sustainable?

 

Lamar is the best of them because he is the best thrower of those types but playoff defenses always mitigate what he does. 

[BudsOilers]

It pleases me that Lamar is the highest paid QB in football and he can't pass it well.  

[OzTitan]

The result was easily predictable because he is a significantly flawed QB. For every person who doesn't want to admit he is better than they thought, there's a person who doesn't want to admit they saw this result coming too.

 

He is better than I thought he'd be but I'm not sure it's so much he's a much better passer than I thought he would develop to be, or if he's just been able to produce despite it, meaning I may have overestimated the abilities of NFL defenses to routinely exploit his flaws. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

2 hours ago, cenj said:

Eh, I hate the Ravens and am not a huge Lamar fan, but some of the narratives here are crazy biased.

 

Lamar is being criticized for not being able to pass well enough to beat the Chiefs, who are headed to their 4th Superbowl in 5 years (the other two Mahomes-led years, the Chiefs lost in overtime of the AFC championships). Peyton Manning also choked in the playoffs for years and couldn't ever beat the Pats -- I'm not comparing the two QBs, but I am making the point that all QBs look worse against the best teams and best playoff defenses in the NFL.

 

The Ravens easily beat the Texans and their passing QB, an offense that barely scored 10 points. Those Texans demolished the Browns the week before and their traditional pocket passing Joe Flacco. Brock Purdy was atrocious last week and SF should have lost that game, but they managed to win, then squeaked out another win against Detroit to make another Superbowl (the Lions were dominating running the first half, and pass-first QB Goff led a totally anemic offense 2nd half). And let's not forget our own Tannehill playoff record and him totally falling apart in the playoffs -- lots of people on here defend those playoff losses and put the blame elsewhere.

 

The examples go on and on.

 

KC's defense is legit. They shut down the Miami offense and they dominated the Bills (more than the final score suggests). It really helps to have a Hall of Fame passing QB and a HOF coach; there are a ton of really good passing QBs who have looked terrible in big playoff games. 

 

But some of you are lying to yourselves because you don't want to admit he's better than you thought. They still had the best record in the NFL, won a playoff game handily, and almost made the Superbowl. Lamar isn't a great passing QB, but his overall skillset makes him still pretty damn effective.

2-4 in the playoffs averaging 16 PPG and only 10 PPG in the 4 losses...I mean yeah he's definitely developed into a better passer than I thought, but all the warts we talked about came out yesterday. He is simply incapable of being a drop back passer. It was reallllly shitty design by the Ravens. They went down 14 and acted like that meant they should scrap the league's best rushing offense.

 

The loss is one Harbaugh more than anyone. The team played completely undisciplined and they should have immediately went back to the running game and RPO to calm down. 

[BudsOilers]

You don't pay a QB with those flaws that kind of contract.  The reason no teams were interested in trading 2 1st's for him was in large part to his skill set.  One that over time will get worse as his running ability declines.

 

They have zero chance to win a SB with Lamar.

[abenjami]

Maybe the Ravens need to re-design their offense to go along with Lamar's throwing deficiencies.

 

Here's an example of how that worked out for a different athlete named Lamar.

 

 

[BudsOilers]

That release looks more like Mariota's.....

[rns90]

1 hour ago, BudsOilers said:

You don't pay a QB with those flaws that kind of contract.  The reason no teams were interested in trading 2 1st's for him was in large part to his skill set.  One that over time will get worse as his running ability declines.

 

They have zero chance to win a SB with Lamar.

I see Monken getting trashed here but it's really Lamar's inability to complete passes.  There were several of those instances where BAL had WR open (not super wide open but NFL open) and he just overshot them and just wasn't accurate at all.  Even like one or two of those swing passes to the RB he wasn't accurate and the RB had to make a great catch.  I find it really hard to blame the OC where he draws up plays of WR getting open and the QB fails to deliver again and again.  Also this should sound familar to fans of this team.

 

He's just not an accurate passer of the football and teams in the playoffs will exploit that and blaming the OC doesn't really make sense.  If you're getting that much money, you'd better complete passes.

 

Also, notice that the defenders of him have gone silent.

[IrishTitansFan]

8 hours ago, rns90 said:

I see Monken getting trashed here but it's really Lamar's inability to complete passes.  There were several of those instances where BAL had WR open (not super wide open but NFL open) and he just overshot them and just wasn't accurate at all.  Even like one or two of those swing passes to the RB he wasn't accurate and the RB had to make a great catch.  I find it really hard to blame the OC where he draws up plays of WR getting open and the QB fails to deliver again and again.  Also this should sound familar to fans of this team.

 

He's just not an accurate passer of the football and teams in the playoffs will exploit that and blaming the OC doesn't really make sense.  If you're getting that much money, you'd better complete passes.

 

Also, notice that the defenders of him have gone silent.

That did not happen consistently, there were a couple down the sideline but one was a fine ball that OBJ got slowed down on the route. I would love to see where he was missing guys wide open all over the field

 

The far bigger issue was Lamars decision making was horrible. He was holding the ball forever and taking bad sacks/short gains when not needed, not using his legs when he could have more. He put the ball in harms way too much

 

I think this was more a case of Lamar choking when the lights were the brightest. Also, while he was lights out vs the Blitz all year, he always struggles vs Spags blitz packages. Monken absolutely had a poor game not running the ball more and having so many long developing routes where the QB couldn't get the ball out immediately.

 

Jackson has a lot of work to do to get rid of the narratives because this might have been their best shot

Edited January 30, 2024 by IrishTitansFan