JRob Fired. Wyatt Confirmed.

[BudsOilers]

1 hour ago, Mythos27 said:

I get that you really want this to be something that is 100% based on his bad drafts that you've been talking about because it's validating BUT the timing IS atypical and as such it naturally makes people think that something else might have factored into the decision. Now you may ultimately be proven right and this was all 100% based on his bad drafting but as of now I don't think it's a cope to consider that there might be something else at play in addition to his draft misses. Had he been fired day 1 of the the off-season or something I don't think people would have as much "conspiratorial" thinking. 

 

I think it's fair to assume there was a cumulative effect at play here.  The personnel decisions (draft, FA, trades), cap management, the seemingly step back in terms of SB contention and uncertainty for 2023's chances, the drinking on the plane deal....We also are not privy to their discussions in the past on a lot of these decisions or his reporting to AAS.  Perhaps decisions that ownership or other participants didn't agree with but deferred to his decision making....What we do know is by all accounts, AAS hires people and let's them do their job without interference - Robinson and Vrabel have both said this on multiple occasions.

 

But since the extension, we've seen the crying episode at the Combine, going from AJB is a core piece to being traded, offseason plans hinging on Lewan at LT (having missed 18 games in the prior 3 years) with no viable alternative, plans to start Farley and Radunz (both didn't happen and Farley looks like a completely wasted picks) only reinforcing early draft pick misses, Dupree being injured again both years after signing him to a big deal coming off an ACL...

 

Certainly plausible that Quiver Chins, when pressed about things and the future, became defensive and perhaps defiant to his boss.  Hence, the decision to move on without him as the leader of Football Operations.

[japan]

3 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

 

Certainly plausible that Quiver Chins, when pressed about things and the future, became defensive and perhaps defiant to his boss.  Hence, the decision to move on without him as the leader of Football Operations.

Certainly possible and probable.  Her making the decision before the Eagles game is almost certainly BS.  Something happened or was said as McClain is pushing.

Edited December 15, 2022 by japan

[Downtown]

6 minutes ago, japan said:

The other thing is that only on this messageboard do people think Strunk handled this well and that this silly theory that letting him go now for draft performance allows them some advantage in hiring the new GM.  The rest of the league and national media sees this as highly unusual, Bud Adams-ish and clownish... unless Robinson did something that caused his immediate firing,

It truly exposes the bias as fans. It was handled very poorly and likely all but excludes any bright outside minds joining the organization. Instead we likely promote a very ho-hum internal guy that Vrabel gets along with and we're suddnely stuck with our own Downing-esque shit hire in the front office creating a feedback loop of mediocrity. 

[japan]

4 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

 

I think it's fair to assume there was a cumulative effect at play here.  The personnel decisions (draft, FA, trades), cap management, the seemingly step back in terms of SB contention and uncertainty for 2023's chances, the drinking on the plane deal....We also are not privy to their discussions in the past on a lot of these decisions or his reporting to AAS.  Perhaps decisions that ownership or other participants didn't agree with but deferred to his decision making....What we do know is by all accounts, AAS hires people and let's them do their job without interference - Robinson and Vrabel have both said this on multiple occasions.

 

But since the extension, we've seen the crying episode at the Combine, going from AJB is a core piece to being traded, offseason plans hinging on Lewan at LT (having missed 18 games in the prior 3 years) with no viable alternative, plans to start Farley and Radunz (both didn't happen and Farley looks like a completely wasted picks) only reinforcing early draft pick misses, Dupree being injured again both years after signing him to a big deal coming off an ACL...

 

Certainly plausible that Quiver Chins, when pressed about things and the future, became defensive and perhaps defiant to his boss.  Hence, the decision to move on without him as the leader of Football Operations.

It's possible that she told him that he was going to lose some personnel power next year and he balked and said that wasn't an option for him.

[japan]

Just now, Downtown said:

It truly exposes the bias as fans. It was handled very poorly and likely all but excludes any bright outside minds joining the organization. Instead we likely promote a very ho-hum internal guy that Vrabel gets along with and we're suddnely stuck with our own Downing-esque shit hire in the front office creating a feedback loop of mediocrity. 

True.  People in the business, outside of fans, view this poorly.  Just look what a guy like McClain is saying.

 

Like I've said before, you can find other good GMs that can get you 6 or 7 straight winning seasons or maybe even put together a Superbowl team, but there are a hell of a lot more guys out there that will take you back to mediocrity...

[BudsOilers]

9 minutes ago, Downtown said:

It truly exposes the bias as fans. It was handled very poorly and likely all but excludes any bright outside minds joining the organization. Instead we likely promote a very ho-hum internal guy that Vrabel gets along with and we're suddnely stuck with our own Downing-esque shit hire in the front office creating a feedback loop of mediocrity. 

 

The bias it exposed was the view that Robinson was some untouchable elite GM.  Factor in how the team looks in comparison to the top teams in 2022, the weak division factor, and the outlook for 2023 and AAS says the team is going in the wrong direction under his leadership.  Add in whatever discussions AAS had with him that went sour and that's how you get yourself canned.

[BudsOilers]

I'd point out that the verbiage AAS used in her public statements exactly mirrored Robinson's statement when they fired Mularkey and hired Vrabel.  The whole "good to great" and "winning a playoff game isn't good enough" standard he and Vrabel publicly stated....

[Downtown]

1 hour ago, BudsOilers said:

 

The bias it exposed was the view that Robinson was some untouchable elite GM.  Factor in how the team looks in comparison to the top teams in 2022, the weak division factor, and the outlook for 2023 and AAS says the team is going in the wrong direction under his leadership.  Add in whatever discussions AAS had with him that went sour and that's how you get yourself canned.

Its extremely unprecedented to fire a GM mid-season and there is no denying it hurts the perception of your org. It would also blow up in her face if the team gets healthy and somehow miraculously does go on a run to the AFC championship game. I am also struggling to find another GM who has been fired mid-season with a better resume than J Rob. Are injuries from players who have no injury history a negative that is put on the staff or the GM?   

 

Personally, I have no problem with firing a GM to establish the standard and expectations that Amy is claiming. Where I call bullshit is the notion that you can't fire coaches to maintain that standard, especially with the multiple examples of 2nd half collapses that have cost us wins and illustrates that its very clearly a coaching problem in tandem with deficiencies. 

 

The Titans as an organization are weaker by her own doing and the way she has handled her business. Way to go Amy. 

[Downtown]

If anything, the more tactful approach is to neuter the guy internally for the rest of the season and go about your business as a professional and fire him when we lose again in the Playoffs under Vrabel. Absolutely no difference in your scouting department other than the embarassing spectacle you create for yourself. 

[Mythos27]

17 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

 

I think it's fair to assume there was a cumulative effect at play here.  The personnel decisions (draft, FA, trades), cap management, the seemingly step back in terms of SB contention and uncertainty for 2023's chances, the drinking on the plane deal....We also are not privy to their discussions in the past on a lot of these decisions or his reporting to AAS.  Perhaps decisions that ownership or other participants didn't agree with but deferred to his decision making....What we do know is by all accounts, AAS hires people and let's them do their job without interference - Robinson and Vrabel have both said this on multiple occasions.

 

But since the extension, we've seen the crying episode at the Combine, going from AJB is a core piece to being traded, offseason plans hinging on Lewan at LT (having missed 18 games in the prior 3 years) with no viable alternative, plans to start Farley and Radunz (both didn't happen and Farley looks like a completely wasted picks) only reinforcing early draft pick misses, Dupree being injured again both years after signing him to a big deal coming off an ACL...

 

Certainly plausible that Quiver Chins, when pressed about things and the future, became defensive and perhaps defiant to his boss.  Hence, the decision to move on without him as the leader of Football Operations.

Right. I think even the people who were the staunchest J-Rob "defenders" recognize that the firing can be justified. The timing suggests some precipitating event. Like, yes it's possible that one day Amy woke up was just like like "you know what this guy has failed too much for too long, I'm done". But most humans, at least in my experience, cite a precipitating event that pushes them to make the final decision. Like I said, had this been done after the season there would still be a sense of surprise but I don't think people would be looking for more to the story. 

[BudsOilers]

6 minutes ago, Downtown said:

Its extremely unprecedented to fire a GM mid-season and there is no denying it hurts the perception of your org. It would also blow up in her face if the team gets healthy and somehow miraculously does go on a run to the AFC championship game. I am also struggling to find another GM who has been fired mid-season with a better resume that J Rob. Are injuries from players who have no injury history a negative that is put on the staff or the GM?   

 

Personally, I have no problem with firing a GM to establish the standard and expectations that Amy is claiming. Where I call bullshit is the notion that you can't fire coaches to maintain that standard, especially with the multiple examples of 2nd half collapses that have cost us wins and illustrates that its very clearly a coaching problem in tandem with deficiencies. 

 

The Titans as an organization are weaker by her own doing and the way she has handled her business. Way to go Amy. 

 

Wrong as you don't know the inner workings of their work relationship and private discussions on moves that didn't pan out, what his tentative 2023 plans were, etc.  She clearly didn't want him fucking up 2023....

 

The fact is that the consensus is that Vrabel coaches up teams better than Robinson builds the team.  Clearly AAS felt the direction going south was far more Robinson's doing than Vrabel's hence he's out of here.

 

AAS has been a great owner and she's nailed every major decision under her reign.  

[BudsOilers]

13 minutes ago, Downtown said:

If anything, the more tactful approach is to neuter the guy internally for the rest of the season and go about your business as a professional and fire him when we lose again in the Playoffs under Vrabel. Absolutely no difference in your scouting department other than the embarassing spectacle you create for yourself. 

 

Makes no sense to keep him around if you no longer trust his decision making.  This is the start of in depth draft and FA scouting.

[japan]

3 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

 

Wrong as you don't know the inner workings of their work relationship and private discussions on moves that didn't pan out, what his tentative 2023 plans were, etc.  She clearly didn't want him fucking up 2023....

 

The fact is that the consensus is that Vrabel coaches up teams better than Robinson builds the team.  Clearly AAS felt the direction going south was far more Robinson's doing than Vrabel's hence he's out of here.

 

AAS has been a great owner and she's nailed every major decision under her reign.  

It is an unprecedented move Bud.

[japan]

2 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

 

Makes no sense to keep him around if you no longer trust his decision making.  This is the start of in depth draft and FA scouting.

You let the guy finish out the season where you are winning the division.  Unless he says something to you that is insulting...

[BudsOilers]

1 minute ago, japan said:

It is an unprecedented move Bud.

 

It was a well deserved move and gets the team positioned to fill the job with a better candidate.  No sense letting Robinson fuck up another offseason.