nine Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 As near as I can tell, the Republicans' entire philosophy and vision for the future is to push everything back to what it was 20-50 years ago. They're the political equivalent of a balding 60-year old guy in a Def Leppard tee shirt complaining that nobody makes good music anymore. IsntLifeFunny, tgo, oldschool, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Starkiller said: People are angry. They feel the need to vent that anger. The problem is that many are venting that anger at the only people who are actually on their side. I suspect a lot of those people venting anger towards Democrats are also the people who didn’t bother voting for Hillary back when they could have actually stopped this travesty from happening in the first place. The ones who attack the Dems' effort to turnout votes are generally the ones who have refused to turnout to vote… I wish Obama or somebody would call this shit out publicly. Go on a late night TV show and just go on a tirade. You can't beat Republican cruelty with progressive purity. Edited June 28, 2022 by luvyablue256 oldschool, and Number9 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 20 minutes ago, luvyablue256 said: I wish Obama or somebody would call this shit out publicly. Go on a late night TV show and just go on a tirade. You can't beat Republican cruelty with progressive purity. This x1000. Its time for voters to grow up. Its also time for the democratic party to get its shit together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted June 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, oldschool said: This x1000. Its time for voters to grow up. Its also time for the democratic party to get its shit together. One area where House Democratic leadership was frustrated with the WH in particular was not putting out unified messaging/talking points, etc on the Roe decision - so I get it. I think Biden as an old school Senate institutionalist absolutely hated it when the WH told him what to do/say as a Senator (in the same mold as McConnell who shares the same view), so the WH does not meddle in Congressional messaging due to Biden's ethos, and this can be an Achilles heel at times. A lot of people want a very strong executive and central party messaging and that's the style of governance they are used to. Personally, I prefer Congress to be the more central power/governing authority than the executive and I think the role of the president is to take a back seat to Congress and to guide domestic issues from a position that's more "above the fray" - in a perfect world. But that's a pretty old school (pre-FDR) view, and Americans in our lifetimes are used to a really strong-armed central executive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 5 hours ago, luvyablue256 said: I wish Obama or somebody would call this shit out publicly. Go on a late night TV show and just go on a tirade. You can't beat Republican cruelty with progressive purity. No one really cares about late night talk shows anymore man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted June 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Titans279 said: No one really cares about late night talk shows anymore man What exactly do they care about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, tgo said: What exactly do they care about? I'm not the hippest cat around, but I know that late nite TV isn't the king it once was. Not really going to make an impact there. rns90, and tgo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 Colbert has like 3 million viewers, but they're all the kinds of people who probably already vote for Democrats consistently. Roe Rogan has potentially 3-4 times that amount, and they're probably all the kinds of low propensity voters or marginal voters you're wanting to get. Also, it would get a ton of attention on social media if Obama talked to Rogan. Just the first idea that comes to mind. rns90, IsntLifeFunny, tgo, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepingDeath Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 On 6/26/2022 at 11:28 AM, Number9 said: I've donated to politicians this cycle. They rewarded me with constant emails and texts asking for more money. Yep. I still get emails and I think it's been 10 years since I donated. And it gets DESPERATE the moment you donate. At least now it's down to one email a week or so. On 6/26/2022 at 11:53 AM, oldschool said: its purely anecdotal but I'm starting to hear buzz from the more left people in my social circle that it may be time to send the democrats a message and stay home. Short term pain for long term gain. I think thats batshit crazy and hope it passes before November. That's hilariously sad. Ask them how that has worked the past two decades. On 6/26/2022 at 3:06 PM, BudsOilers said: The irony is that the major political parties and religions are after one thing far above anything else. Money.......and both entities want it all the time. In reality, the system is fucked and probably always will be. There should be term limits and mandatory retirement limits for politicians and judges. There should not be lobbyists or PAC's and there should be limits on campaign spending. There should not be riders in bills adding on unrelated items nor should there be laws written with so many pages that the representatives don't even read them A-fucking-men. Number9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 In the sixties there was a popular book titled The True Believer, by Eric Hoffer. There were people who risked their lives and freedom to bring about change. I was a True Believer. We were True Believers. Today, the religionist is the TB. Rightly or wrongly, they believe their cause is righteous and they will die for it. The ones who broke into the Capitol of the United States government were TB. Not all willing to die, but most willing to take a hit. Arrests. Fines. Their leadership has convinced them someone wants to take away their rights and privileges. The Lie is their biggest weapon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Nator Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 2 hours ago, tgo said: What exactly do they care about? The YouTubes & the Tiktoks. And Porhubs and Reddits and TitansReports! And especially Grindr! tgo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OILERMAN Posted June 29, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 You see both parties are flawed, the Dems don't always follow on campaign promises and some are bought and paid for..... While at the same time the Republicans try to overturn elections, try and get get the VP killed, let the protestors storm the capitol armed, threaten witnesses ask for pardons, collude with Russia etc....... Both parties have their problems!!!! L-O-L! pat, IsntLifeFunny, oldschool, and 6 others 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) The two most important factors are the macro-economic environment prior to the election and how the primaries play out. Most of that is unknown at this point but we do know that Trump and DeSantis will destroy each other in their primary. Edited June 29, 2022 by ctm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, ctm said: Trump and DeSantis will destroy each other in their primary. If Trump seriously runs, I would think Republicans chances are very low. Two scenarios if Trump seriously runs - He wins the Republican primary or he does not win it. If he ran and lost the primary, then the Republican nominee would have a low chance, in my opinion, since the true Trump base supporters, which I would guess is 20 to 25% of the Republican party, would not vote in most likelihood because they would see Trump's primary defeat as conspiracy a situation he would likely make worse in public comments (imagine how much Trump would attack the winner in the scenario), so they would not vote for the nominee - some might even vote Democrat just to vote against the conspirator in their eyes. If Trump runs and won the primary, I just cant see him winning - he lost popular vote twice already and his name should be mud to millions of more people, plus his supporters demographics would be a lower percentage of the voting public. I think he knows this and will not run, instead he will try to get money from endorsing someone. Edited June 29, 2022 by 9 Nines OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 14 hours ago, nine said: As near as I can tell, the Republicans' entire philosophy and vision for the future is to push everything back to what it was 20-50 years ago. They're the political equivalent of a balding 60-year old guy in a Def Leppard tee shirt complaining that nobody makes good music anymore. yep.. push everything back to 50 years ago except this time instead of black people getting the short end of the stick, they want to intentionally make everyone poor then give them the short end - everyone thats not already uber wealthy or a large company of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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