oldschool Posted January 13, 2025 Report Share Posted January 13, 2025 (edited) 13 minutes ago, japan said: Of course. The desire to denigrate Vrabel's success is shortsighted. He wasn't great but we had the most success we've has since early 2000's with Fisher. And he did it without an elite QB. Some of these same posters seem to want to compare everyone to the greatest. 'Vrabel was a failure because he wasn't Andy Reid. I'm against all of these GM candidates because none of them are Ron Wolf!' he had the most success because he won one more playoff game than Mularkey did? The truth is there wasn't much difference between Mularkey and Vrabel success wise. Vrabel was hired to get the team over the hump and compete for championships. He peaked in year 2. Edited January 13, 2025 by oldschool rns90, Jamalisms, and IowaOiler 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaOiler Posted January 13, 2025 Report Share Posted January 13, 2025 Just now, japan said: I know. Can't say anything good about Vrabel with Iowa. Tannehill wasn't elite. He was very good to excellent for 2-2.5 years. No one outside of this board would argue that Tannehill is 'elite.' You can say nice things about meathead all day...just provide support. And arguing 'excellent' vs 'elite' is semantics. Tannehill was a fucking stud in bailing the team out of constant 3rd and longs....we'll see how Maye does at that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 13, 2025 Report Share Posted January 13, 2025 Tannehill played at an elite level in 2019 and 2020. By every metric you can measure QB play. Of course dullards actually give that credit to Vrabel and/or Henry.... Vrabel is a good coach. The issue I think for many is that he's made out to be Belichick or Parcells without the pelts on the wall. 2 playoff wins in six years with a team he inherited that already had turned the corner in terms of being a playoff contender. The day Vrabel was hired, both he and Robinson said one playoff win wasn't good enough. The standard was SB's. They came reasonable close 1 time. IsntLifeFunny, oldschool, and OILERMAN 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 13, 2025 Report Share Posted January 13, 2025 The Titans were a legitimate threat in the playoffs and even took a number one seed under Vrabel. Comparing the heights under Vrabel to Mularkey is typical dumb cope. titanruss, SleepingTitan, and japan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 13, 2025 Report Share Posted January 13, 2025 Just now, Jamalisms said: The Titans were a legitimate threat in the playoffs and even took a number one seed under Vrabel. Comparing the heights under Vrabel to Mularkey is typical dumb cope. wrong. Mularkey had the team in the divisional round with Mariota at QB. 1 playoff win. Vrabel had 2 playoff wins in 2019 and didn't win another game. I think Vrabel is a better coach but this idea he's BB because he was 7 games over .500 with the Titans in 6 years is insane. Its media and fan concocted. of course we know the reason you are making this argument. Its because you can't admit what Tannehill did in 2019 and 2020. Jamalisms, OILERMAN, rns90, and 1 other 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamRamrod Posted January 13, 2025 Report Share Posted January 13, 2025 (edited) We already knew this but it’s still hilarious considering Lyons reported Vrabel reached out to Ran after he got fired to say something along the lines of “ congrats for getting the fuck out of there!”. Dude didn’t even want him around! lol Yet Brinker is the villain in all of this. Edited January 13, 2025 by TeamRamrod oldschool, and SleepingTitan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 13, 2025 Report Share Posted January 13, 2025 1 minute ago, TeamRamrod said: We already knew this but it’s still hilarious considering Lyons reported Vrabel reached out to Ran after he got fired to say something along the lines of “ congrats for getting the fuck out of there!”. Dude didn’t even want him around! lol Yet Brinker is the villain in all of this. is that true? that pretty insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamRamrod Posted January 13, 2025 Report Share Posted January 13, 2025 Just now, oldschool said: is that true? that pretty insane. That Vrabel reached out? Zach hasn’t been one to have sources before this but he did say he heard that so. oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 13, 2025 Report Share Posted January 13, 2025 NE is basically giving Vrabel the Belichick job, which should be fascinating to see how that plays out..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 13, 2025 Report Share Posted January 13, 2025 1 minute ago, BudsOilers said: NE is basically giving Vrabel the Belichick job, which should be fascinating to see how that plays out..... Its the role he craved here and tried to exert over Carthon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 13, 2025 Report Share Posted January 13, 2025 22 minutes ago, oldschool said: wrong. Mularkey had the team in the divisional round with Mariota at QB. 1 playoff win. Vrabel had 2 playoff wins in 2019 and didn't win another game. I think Vrabel is a better coach but this idea he's BB because he was 7 games over .500 with the Titans in 6 years is insane. Its media and fan concocted. of course we know the reason you are making this argument. Its because you can't admit what Tannehill did in 2019 and 2020. This doesn't even make logical sense from top to bottom. You're mixing narratives here and should probably just reset and restate. You'd probably be closer to the truth. 2019 and 2020, even 2021 where they got the number one seed, is exactly why I'm "making the argument." They were legitimately good and an actual threat at that point. The team was way better at that point than under Mularkey. Now, once you establish that obvious improvement as a baseline, you can try to explain it away. But acting like they weren't way better is a non-starter and fundamentally stupid. japan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 13, 2025 Report Share Posted January 13, 2025 The talent in 2019 took a big leap though.....They added Simmons, AJB, and of course Tannehill. All massive upgrades over who they replaced. IowaOiler, OILERMAN, and SleepingTitan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 13, 2025 Report Share Posted January 13, 2025 1 minute ago, BudsOilers said: The talent in 2019 took a big leap though.....They added Simmons, AJB, and of course Tannehill. All massive upgrades over who they replaced. Sounds like you want to build off a platform of them having improved significantly and being better and not really comparable to the success / quality they saw under Mularkey. Have at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 13, 2025 Report Share Posted January 13, 2025 1 minute ago, Jamalisms said: Sounds like you want to build off a platform of them having improved significantly and being better and not really comparable to the success / quality they saw under Mularkey. Have at it. I don't think there's any debate that the teams that Vrabel coached from 2019-2021 specifically were more talented than the 2016-2017 teams Mularkey coached. At least not from anybody credible. Vrabel's playoff coaching doesn't get near the scrutiny that it should - locally or nationally. IowaOiler, ChesterCopperpot1, and OILERMAN 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 13, 2025 Report Share Posted January 13, 2025 8 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: This doesn't even make logical sense from top to bottom. You're mixing narratives here and should probably just reset and restate. You'd probably be closer to the truth. 2019 and 2020, even 2021 where they got the number one seed, is exactly why I'm "making the argument." They were legitimately good and an actual threat at that point. The team was way better at that point than under Mularkey. Now, once you establish that obvious improvement as a baseline, you can try to explain it away. But acting like they weren't way better is a non-starter and fundamentally stupid. They also got top 5-10 QB play those 3 years. Mularkey did it with Mariota at QB. TylerRoseFan, and IowaOiler 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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