Guest Posted July 23, 2024 Report Share Posted July 23, 2024 47 minutes ago, Justafan said: He serves on several committees too that I think would help shore up what many will see as Harris weaknesses. He’s on the armed services committee, energy, and joint economics. I really think that’s what Dems have to sell… how is your economy going to be better than Trump’s? How are you going to make housing affordable, bring down inflation, create wage growth, and encourage business growth? Trump is a failed businessman who ran up the deficit, created instability for business, and drove prices up by pulling out of economic agreements and unnecessary tariffs. Hammer him on those points and show how you will be different. Have a real plan for the border that’s not just let everyone in and de facto citizenship for everyone already here. Show an endgame for Israel and Ukraine. Present strength and unity and present a message that welcomes people who find themselves without a political party that represents them now that MAGA has basically destroyed the GOP. Yeah, I think Kelly is probably the strongest pick. I like Andy Beshear too as a way to hammer Vance, but I don't necessarily think you should pick a tactic just to hone in on him (as I find him to be the kind of person that will give people the ick). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted July 23, 2024 Report Share Posted July 23, 2024 20 minutes ago, tgo said: Not to mention Gabby Giffords offsets the "assassination attempt" thing to a smaller degree. She got shot in the head at point blank range and survived - whereas Trump got winged on the tip of his ear. Kelly and Giffords will play well in the suburbs everywhere and that's where the election will be decided. In addition, they founded American for Responsible Solutions which is an organization that wants to enact background checks and red flag laws. There is a national constituency for this and it's the opposite of what Trump wants. So there is a contrast. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_for_Responsible_Solutions tgo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted July 23, 2024 Report Share Posted July 23, 2024 8 minutes ago, Bink said: Yeah, I think Kelly is probably the strongest pick. I like Andy Beshear too as a way to hammer Vance, but I don't necessarily think you should pick a tactic just to hone in on him (as I find him to be the kind of person that will give people the ick). Bottom line is the pick needs to help in swing states and Beshear doesn't do that. Whitmer is positioned for 2028 if Harris loses or 2032 if she wins. Shapiro has issues in MI but could help deliver PA. Kelly will help with moderates and independents plus AZ. Cooper is boring but may help NC if the campaign things its obtainable. The Harris campaign has to make some tough decisions as winning PA, MI, and WI is the easiest path but there are serious concerns she can win those voters. If she can shore up AZ and GA, it opens up being able to lose MI and or WI. PA is a must have though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2024 Report Share Posted July 23, 2024 4 minutes ago, oldschool said: Bottom line is the pick needs to help in swing states and Beshear doesn't do that. Whitmer is positioned for 2028 if Harris loses or 2032 if she wins. Shapiro has issues in MI but could help deliver PA. Kelly will help with moderates and independents plus AZ. Cooper is boring but may help NC if the campaign things its obtainable. The Harris campaign has to make some tough decisions as winning PA, MI, and WI is the easiest path but there are serious concerns she can win those voters. If she can shore up AZ and GA, it opens up being able to lose MI and or WI. PA is a must have though. Yeah I like Kelly the best for sure. I just think Beshear would also do well in that role. Still a lot of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted July 23, 2024 Report Share Posted July 23, 2024 (edited) 13 hours ago, OILERMAN said: I saw a report last night the Trump campaign is regretting the Vance pick already I said immediately that Vance added nothing to the ticket. I really don’t know why Trump picked him other than to appeal to Peter Thiel for massive donations. Edited July 24, 2024 by Starkiller oldschool, and OILERMAN 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted July 23, 2024 Report Share Posted July 23, 2024 Trump picked Vance because Musk and Thiel told him to. OILERMAN, and ChesterCopperpot1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted July 23, 2024 Report Share Posted July 23, 2024 3 minutes ago, oldschool said: Trump picked Vance because Musk and Thiel told him to. with a big a$$ check attached, Trump's kryptonite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted July 23, 2024 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2024 Another thing about Mark Kelly - he has been engaged and strong on the border, which is a perceived weakness of Harris. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 23, 2024 Report Share Posted July 23, 2024 16 minutes ago, tgo said: Another thing about Mark Kelly - he has been engaged and strong on the border, which is a perceived weakness of Harris. Wasn't he the one during the Trump Admin that came up with an interactive and layered approach to border security? tgo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted July 23, 2024 Report Share Posted July 23, 2024 Kamala Harris, she is much younger than the old fart Trump, but don't fear she is older than the old fart's wife. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted July 23, 2024 Report Share Posted July 23, 2024 Starkiller, IsntLifeFunny, OILERMAN, and 1 other 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nine Posted July 23, 2024 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 23, 2024 Harris also needs to remind voters what happened when Trump faced a REAL crisis: At the very beginning of the pandemic, Trump held daily press conferences to provide updates….where he made a fool of himself on a daily basis by talking out of his ass on a subject he knew absolutely nothing about. After a month of routinely embarrassing himself and becoming an international punchline, Trump cancelled his daily updates…and for the next 2-3 months refused to address or even acknowledge any developments or conversations related the pandemic. In the midst of a global pandemic and a national state of emergency, Donald Trump basically absolved himself of any responsibility as the nation’s leader and abandoned ship. A complete dereliction of his duty as President. When the going got tough….Trump went into a shell and left the nation twisting in the wind to fend for themselves . Donald Trump showed his true colors during the pandemic. Now Americans must ask themselves if this is the type of leadership they want for America. IsntLifeFunny, Justafan, Starkiller, and 3 others 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted July 23, 2024 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2024 These are the best two options for sure. Shapiro is the better political athlete. Kelly has the better profile. Both from swing states. IsntLifeFunny, Justafan, and ChesterCopperpot1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted July 23, 2024 Report Share Posted July 23, 2024 Just now, tgo said: These are the best two options for sure. Shapiro is the better political athlete. Kelly has the better profile. Both from swing states. Interesting. They must think PA needs a boost and will risk the potential fallout in MI if Shapiro is the guy. I prefer Kelly to be honest. tgo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted July 23, 2024 Report Share Posted July 23, 2024 I like Kelly more but I'd prefer Shapiro. We don't need to risk that Senate seat imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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