AAS Vetoed Henry Trade to Ravens?

[TeamRamrod]

I just assume it was Vrabel until I hear otherwise because that just makes the most sense. 

[Mythos27]

4 hours ago, TeamRamrod said:

I just assume it was Vrabel until I hear otherwise because that just makes the most sense. 

I don't think Vrabel had the power to kill such a lucrative trade at such an advanced stage. There is no way that both Ran and Amy were in favor and Vrabel overrode them. It was Amy. Even if Vrabel had influence, she's the damn owner. No one has more authority.

[IrishTitansFan]

16 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

I don't think Vrabel had the power to kill such a lucrative trade at such an advanced stage. There is no way that both Ran and Amy were in favor and Vrabel overrode them. It was Amy. Even if Vrabel had influence, she's the damn owner. No one has more authority.

Agreed. It was obviously AAS but even if it was Vrabel, a coach is always going to try keep the players, Amy allowed a situation where the HC thought he was above the GM if that's the case

 

It's on the owner

[oldschool]

Obviously it was vrabel and it likely contributed to the end of season confrontation that got him fired. 

[OILERMAN]

1 hour ago, Mythos27 said:

I don't think Vrabel had the power to kill such a lucrative trade at such an advanced stage. There is no way that both Ran and Amy were in favor and Vrabel overrode them. It was Amy. Even if Vrabel had influence, she's the damn owner. No one has more authority.

 

Vrabel likely argued against it and Amy had final say 

[japan]

Pretty obvious that it was both Vrabel and AAS. Carthon was trying to do the smart thing…

[Mythos27]

2 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

 

Vrabel likely argued against it and Amy had final say 

This is very likely but that still puts this squarely on the owner. I would also say that it paints her as somewhat indecisive for her to let Vrabel talk her out of a great move for the franchise only to completely change course a few weeks later and go all in on Ran. There is no angle in this story where Amy comes out looking good. 

[IrishTitansFan]

Pretty much every coach in the NFL is going to argue against making his team worse when they're 3-4. That's basically irrelevant and leads it to be pretty obviously AAS call

[Callidus]

23 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said:

Pretty much every coach in the NFL is going to argue against making his team worse when they're 3-4. That's basically irrelevant and leads it to be pretty obviously AAS call

Still don't think they planned to resign him which makes it rather moot. Outside of not having a decent backup to spears. Maybe we lose the last game of the season when Henry wakes up but that's about it. 

[pat]

35 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

This is very likely but that still puts this squarely on the owner. I would also say that it paints her as somewhat indecisive for her to let Vrabel talk her out of a great move for the franchise only to completely change course a few weeks later and go all in on Ran. There is no angle in this story where Amy comes out looking good. 

At 3-4 Vrabel got the benefit of the doubt.  At 6-11 he did not.  Not sure what’s wrong with Amy here.

[Mythos27]

43 minutes ago, Callidus said:

Still don't think they planned to resign him which makes it rather moot. Outside of not having a decent backup to spears. Maybe we lose the last game of the season when Henry wakes up but that's about it. 

Yes but this isn't how coaches think, nor is it their concern. I'm sure what to do with Henry after the season was Ran's problem to solve. Vrabel only cared about having the best chance to win every Sunday and to a degree that's what you want from your coach. This is precisely why I was all in on the idea that Ran and Vrabel had to be at odds. Their respective incentives were directly opposed to each other. 

[Mythos27]

50 minutes ago, pat said:

At 3-4 Vrabel got the benefit of the doubt.  At 6-11 he did not.  Not sure what’s wrong with Amy here.

Another reason why I don't necessarily agree that this decision was made under duress from Vrabel. His power/influence had to be waning mere weeks out from being fired. Occam's razor is she felt a loyalty to Henry as an icon of this Titans era and worried that she would upset the fanbase too much by trading him to the Ravens of all teams. She instead decided to give him a proper send off. It was sentimental and well-intentioned but naive and cost the team. 

Edited July 23, 2024 by Mythos27

[Callidus]

6 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

Yes but this isn't how coaches think, nor is it their concern. I'm sure what to do with Henry after the season was Ran's problem to solve. Vrabel only cared about having the best chance to win every Sunday and to a degree that's what you want from your coach. This is precisely why I was all in on the idea that Ran and Vrabel had to be at odds. Their respective incentives were directly opposed to each other. 

I get coaches want to win now but this mantra doesn't always hold true. It's a sign of a bad coach (who would have guessed) to ignore the team long term for your favorite toy. 

 

If everyone just did what's best for today kirk cousins would have had 15 teams fighting over him. 

[japan]

Remember back when the team gave Mariota 6 games even though Tannehill way stronger ? Hmmm….

Edited July 23, 2024 by japan

[Mythos27]

4 minutes ago, Callidus said:

I get coaches want to win now but this mantra doesn't always hold true. It's a sign of a bad coach (who would have guessed) to ignore the team long term for your favorite toy. 

 

If everyone just did what's best for today kirk cousins would have had 15 teams fighting over him. 

The future is not promised for coaches. I understand that it might not be optimal for the franchise as a whole but you do want a coach finding any possible way to win. I also didn't say this is the best approach for everyone. GMs certainly have to have a longer vision but as a coach you try to maximize what you currently have and the idea of losing more talent on a team that sorely lacks it is a non-starter for coaches.