Argentina's Trump bound for Presidency?

[TitansPDO]

18 hours ago, Justafan said:

How that study plays out in the real world.  I hate Trump, but the Republicans understood keenly the value of stealing Garland's seat and then putting two young conservative justices on the court. That was far more important than even winning the white house. 

 

 

To add to your point about this example specifically, Conservatives/Republicans successfully played the long game with the Federal Courts starting after the disastrous Robert Bork confirmation hearing. Liberals/Democrats came to the realization too late that existing precedent that they thought would never be overturned (mainly Roe), was on the chopping block as Conservatives kept filling the Courts. Heck, Democrats willingly helped Republicans weaken the scope of federal review in the context of State criminal convictions when Bill Clinton was president. Conservatives had a plan and executed it pretty well over the past 40 years or so. 

 

Even with Biden being able to fill a large amount of federal benches, the federal judiciary is still pretty conservative overall (especially at the appellate level) and will probably remain that way for another generation. 

Edited December 13, 2023 by TitansPDO

[titanruss]

21 hours ago, Justafan said:

That's a ridiculous interpretation and not close. Typical. Attack attack attack, then accuse others of being angry, emotional, and provocative.

 

Look at me, I'm so smart! So smart that I thought it was a good idea to post the above because that would advance the conversation!

 

It's really not a bad interpretation. It's a mean one, sure... but accurate. Lets break it down more cleanly.

 

Conservatives: Desire security (personal safety over the whole), predictability (simple minded black/white thinking) and authority (sheeple) , regulate emotions, evaluate threats (gotta keep ourselves safe first!). Perceive the social system as legitimate and desirable (status quo! fuck everyone else). System justification - party loyalty over policy, and even over truth (God says seek truth - conservatives say "fuck the truth I want mine!"). Partisan identity clouds memory (Go team! Who cares if they raped and killed and stole shit - the others did worse.. probably)

 

Liberals: Comfortable with novelty (new can be good and interesting), nuance (details tell the true story) and complexity (the world is not black and white), detect errors and resolve conflicts (find the problems and fix them amicably). More attentive to incongruent information (not easily fooled). People that think about their attitudes ( introspective/adaptive)

 

More simple...

 

Cons  - Don't give a fuck that they are selfish, gullible and simple-minded,

 

Libs - Life is complex, understand problems more fully, lets think about our own problems, and let's figure out a way to make things work for everyone,

 

More simple...

 

C - I don't even know why but... Fuck you

 

L - Lets work together smartly.

Edited December 13, 2023 by titanruss

[El Guapo]

What a load of shit… legal drugs, defund the police, DEI controlling hiring and firing, trans agendas, open borders, no bail, no freedom of speech for conservatives, control misinformation ( information you don’t like), parent shave no say , dont prosecute,, climate agenda that the majority do not want, 

Fucking awesome…

 

And do not tolerate a contrarian opinion …

[Justafan]

NM. 

Edited December 14, 2023 by Justafan

[Justafan]

NM. I don't have the patience to go back and forth with morons. 

Edited December 14, 2023 by Justafan

[Justafan]

1 hour ago, El Guapo said:

What a load of shit… legal drugs, defund the police, DEI controlling hiring and firing, trans agendas, open borders, no bail, no freedom of speech for conservatives, control misinformation ( information you don’t like), parent shave no say , dont prosecute,, climate agenda that the majority do not want, 

Fucking awesome…

 

And do not tolerate a contrarian opinion …

It's incredible. 

[titanruss]

2 hours ago, El Guapo said:

What a load of shit… legal drugs, defund the police, DEI controlling hiring and firing, trans agendas, open borders, no bail, no freedom of speech for conservatives, control misinformation ( information you don’t like), parent shave no say , dont prosecute,, climate agenda that the majority do not want, 

Fucking awesome…

 

And do not tolerate a contrarian opinion …

 

legal controlled drugs will add taxpayer money, provide safer drugs, provide help for those that need it. similar to gambling alcohol which are far more destructive and legal.  And if you raise your kids correctly they wont need them. Theres working case studies that have turned countries with drug issues around.

 

No one wants to defund the police but retrain and reorganize them. Dems in charge are not voting to eliminate police forces. Horrible talking point. Amygdala issues.

 

Who cares about trans people? Republicans are about government leaving others alone.

 

No one wants fully open borders.. shitty made up talking point. Amygdala issues.

 

No bail is silly and a complex issue. Amygdala.

 

Freedom of speech for all. No Dems have tried to control that ever. what a weird stupid and misinformed take... ahh... amygdala again i bet.

 

Control misinformation... right... from the party that actually tries to control information. Really on a streak here!

 

Who is no say and why do parents want to shave them?

 

Dont prosecute? What reality is that? LOL

 

Climate agenda - in 2019 2/3rds of americans think more needs to be done for the environment and that has shown to increas since then.

 

 

Are you ever right?

 

ohhhh... yeah. The amygdala.

[Justafan]

Clearly, conservatives are the emotional and combative ones in this thread....

[El Guapo]

16 minutes ago, titanruss said:

 

legal controlled drugs will add taxpayer money, provide safer drugs, provide help for those that need it. similar to gambling alcohol which are far more destructive and legal.  And if you raise your kids correctly they wont need them. Theres working case studies that have turned countries with drug issues around.

 

No one wants to defund the police but retrain and reorganize them. Dems in charge are not voting to eliminate police forces. Horrible talking point. Amygdala issues.

 

Who cares about trans people? Republicans are about government leaving others alone.

 

No one wants fully open borders.. shitty made up talking point. Amygdala issues.

 

No bail is silly and a complex issue. Amygdala.

 

Freedom of speech for all. No Dems have tried to control that ever. what a weird stupid and misinformed take... ahh... amygdala again i bet.

 

Control misinformation... right... from the party that actually tries to control information. Really on a streak here!

 

Who is no say and why do parents want to shave them?

 

Dont prosecute? What reality is that? LOL

 

Climate agenda - in 2019 2/3rds of americans think more needs to be done for the environment and that has shown to increas since then.

 

 

Are you ever right?

 

ohhhh... yeah. The amygdala.

Are you serious or just willfully ignorant? LA, SF, Seattle, etc. are disasters secondary to drug policies.

 

No one wanted to defund police? Now you are just either retarded or trying to deflect. And the implications of even considering those policies has demoralized law enforcement.

 

No bail is silly? Tell that to the family members of murder victims.

 

Freedom of speech? Do you ever read ? 

 

I cant even bother to answer your ridiculous response that no one wants an open border…

 

etc etc

 

Why even discuss anything when you cannot even acknowledge what your party stands for…

[MadMax]

3 hours ago, El Guapo said:

What a load of shit… legal drugs, defund the police, DEI controlling hiring and firing, trans agendas, open borders, no bail, no freedom of speech for conservatives, control misinformation ( information you don’t like), parent shave no say , dont prosecute,, climate agenda that the majority do not want, 

Fucking awesome…

 

And do not tolerate a contrarian opinion …

Dumbass

[MadMax]

Poor El Gullibo

[Strunk'sDessert]

Whoof... asses showing everywhere in this thread. 

 

Think you're all entrenched too deep in your positions - left, center, and right.

[Starkiller]

5 hours ago, El Guapo said:

What a load of shit… legal drugs, defund the police, DEI controlling hiring and firing, trans agendas, open borders, no bail, no freedom of speech for conservatives, control misinformation ( information you don’t like), parent shave no say , dont prosecute,, climate agenda that the majority do not want, 

Fucking awesome…

 

And do not tolerate a contrarian opinion …

You’re a sucker who believes this ridiculous pile of horseshit. That’s what happens to people who think the propaganda is real…

Edited December 14, 2023 by Starkiller

[begooode]

Good lord, haven’t seen this thread for weeks, figured wth , how much can people focus on Argentina? Yeesh, I thought I was going off,…

 

Anyway, Argentina just devalued its currency by 50%. They’ve been in or around triple digit inflation for the better part of a decade already. What a mess, and if their new government only achieves one thing, I hope it’s getting a handle on this vicious cycle of economic instability. 
 

https://www.ft.com/content/593bd703-f68f-408e-b13e-60c97245bf0e

[chef]

On 12/13/2023 at 1:10 PM, El Guapo said:

 

And do not tolerate a contrarian opinion …

 

There's where Liberal by many some definitions oft set by the media and the actual tenets of Liberalism have been colliding as of late.  Leftist and Liberal don't by most definitions line up as closely as the majority of the US tend to think.  Tolerant is a primary synonym of Liberal and don't see a ton of that among certain perceived Liberal groups (and definitely don't among Conservative either FTR but that never was their calling card).  Too many traditionally tolerant liberal institutions have slid into toe-the-line leftist ones, knowing that any publication, statement, tweet what not can equal full excommunication from the herd.  My personal pet peeve is when sound scientific research does not line up with someone's expected agenda, they are called out in some derogatory nomenclature of the Other, Wrong Side.*  I was a lab rat a long while ago and never recall politics walking into our domain like it does now.

 

Much of this a natural reaction to ongoing right wing extremism that in some has led to full cult-like behavior, but many of those efforts to balance the ship have just caused more violent rocking of it.  

 

Saw this piece by what I'd call a talented writer and brave HS Sr in LA: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-12-10/los-angeles-high-school-cancel-culture-free-speech.  Main concern here I appreciate is in the development psych aspect of it more than the usual right/left, woke/cancel pick-a-side ones.

 

*https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/steven-pinker-will-be-just-fine/614323/

*https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021/8/11/biology-lecturer-gender-comments-backlash/

 

 

I'm sure some here will start looking for data to back up their side - just like I bet the HS kid who wrote the story is likely being doxxed already, a Jr High joke he told to a group of friends once now brought to the fore in a public censure effort.  But that is indeed the point here: we retreat to the rabbit holes of our opinions, shielded in an warm algorithm blanket, rather than actively  consider evidence of reality much less others as simply fellow human beings.  Painful to see people here whose words I have read for a long time now quarelling in such a way that feels less like a sibling squabble and more like Hatfields and McCoys.  And this is many ways is such a great place since there is a (semi)anonymous community where one can more freely express their opinions - a last Safe Space for open discussion.  

 

Only thing I ask is consider that everyone is almost certainly not 100% right, and the person with whom they disagree not 100% wrong.  Not insinuating any 50/50 situations, but good to challenge every belief sans knee jerk defensiveness. 

Edited December 14, 2023 by chef