Hamas Brutally Massacres Scores of Civilians: Israel Turns Genocidal

[Jamalisms]

Interesting messaging battles unfolding with hostages. There's definitely a lot more borderline praise from this hostage than I would have expected and then you see the comments later in the same article and it begins to make sense. If you treat the hostages well enough that they almost praise you and your care when they leave, that's a big propaganda win:

 

Yocheved Lifshitz, a frail 85-year-old grandmother who was one of two hostages released by Hamas on Monday, recounted the moment that militants snatched her from her home in the kibbutz of Nir Oz and drove her away on a motorbike towards Gaza, a “painful act” during which she said she was beaten and sustained bruises.

 

Lifshitz said she was forced to walk on wet ground and descended into an underground tunnel system she likened to a spiderweb, where she was greeted by “people who told us we believe in the Quran” and promised “not to harm” her and her fellow hostages.

 

Lifshitz’s daughter Sharone, who helped convey her mother’s comments to reporters outside a hospital in Tel Aviv on Tuesday, called it a “huge network” of tunnels.

 

Lifshitz said she was initially grouped together with 25 other people before her captors separated her into a smaller group with four other individuals from her kibbutz. She said they slept on mattresses on the floor of the tunnels, ate the same food as Hamas fighters and received regular treatment from doctors during her incarceration.

 

“They really took care of the sanitary side of things so that we didn’t get sick,” Lifshitz added.

 

Each of the five hostages in her group received their own doctor and there was a paramedic present who supervised medication, she said.

 

“They were very generous to us, very kind. They kept us clean,” Lifshitz said. “They took care of every detail. There are a lot of women and they know about feminine hygiene and they took care of everything there.”

 

Lifshitz also accused the Israel Defense Forces and Shin Bet intelligence service of not taking threats from Hamas “seriously” and said the costly Gaza border fence erected by Israel had done nothing to protect her community from Hamas’ attack.

 

“The lack of awareness by Shin Bet and the IDF hurt us a lot,” she stressed. “They warned us three weeks beforehand, they burned fields, they sent fire balloons and the IDF did not treat it seriously,” she continued.

 

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Ken Grey, a criminal justice professor at the University of New Haven and former FBI special agent, told CNN Tuesday of the intelligence value of Lipshitz’s remarks.

 

“It means that there was a process of separating the hostages to make it more difficult in the event that IDF comes in to rescue the hostages,” he said. “That may not have been the intent but it certainly shows that this will be a difficulty on the part of any type of rescue operation – the fact that the logistics will make it difficult having them in separate locations.”

 

Grey also noted Lipshitz’s comments could be part of a strategy from Hamas.

 

“They want to project the information that they are treating the hostages very well … using this as a method of being able to show themselves of being humane, treating the hostages well. And then it will make the IDF look even worse when they actually enter into the Gaza,” referring to Israel’s anticipated ground operation.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/two-elderly-hostages-freed-hamas-075855095.html

[NashvilleNinja]

3 hours ago, Jamalisms said:

Interesting messaging battles unfolding with hostages. There's definitely a lot more borderline praise from this hostage than I would have expected and then you see the comments later in the same article and it begins to make sense. If you treat the hostages well enough that they almost praise you and your care when they leave, that's a big propaganda win:

 

Yocheved Lifshitz, a frail 85-year-old grandmother who was one of two hostages released by Hamas on Monday, recounted the moment that militants snatched her from her home in the kibbutz of Nir Oz and drove her away on a motorbike towards Gaza, a “painful act” during which she said she was beaten and sustained bruises.

 

Lifshitz said she was forced to walk on wet ground and descended into an underground tunnel system she likened to a spiderweb, where she was greeted by “people who told us we believe in the Quran” and promised “not to harm” her and her fellow hostages.

 

Lifshitz’s daughter Sharone, who helped convey her mother’s comments to reporters outside a hospital in Tel Aviv on Tuesday, called it a “huge network” of tunnels.

 

Lifshitz said she was initially grouped together with 25 other people before her captors separated her into a smaller group with four other individuals from her kibbutz. She said they slept on mattresses on the floor of the tunnels, ate the same food as Hamas fighters and received regular treatment from doctors during her incarceration.

 

“They really took care of the sanitary side of things so that we didn’t get sick,” Lifshitz added.

 

Each of the five hostages in her group received their own doctor and there was a paramedic present who supervised medication, she said.

 

“They were very generous to us, very kind. They kept us clean,” Lifshitz said. “They took care of every detail. There are a lot of women and they know about feminine hygiene and they took care of everything there.”

 

Lifshitz also accused the Israel Defense Forces and Shin Bet intelligence service of not taking threats from Hamas “seriously” and said the costly Gaza border fence erected by Israel had done nothing to protect her community from Hamas’ attack.

 

“The lack of awareness by Shin Bet and the IDF hurt us a lot,” she stressed. “They warned us three weeks beforehand, they burned fields, they sent fire balloons and the IDF did not treat it seriously,” she continued.

 

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Ken Grey, a criminal justice professor at the University of New Haven and former FBI special agent, told CNN Tuesday of the intelligence value of Lipshitz’s remarks.

 

“It means that there was a process of separating the hostages to make it more difficult in the event that IDF comes in to rescue the hostages,” he said. “That may not have been the intent but it certainly shows that this will be a difficulty on the part of any type of rescue operation – the fact that the logistics will make it difficult having them in separate locations.”

 

Grey also noted Lipshitz’s comments could be part of a strategy from Hamas.

 

“They want to project the information that they are treating the hostages very well … using this as a method of being able to show themselves of being humane, treating the hostages well. And then it will make the IDF look even worse when they actually enter into the Gaza,” referring to Israel’s anticipated ground operation.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/two-elderly-hostages-freed-hamas-075855095.html

 

Conniving. Starve a fever, feed a cold. Behead a baby, feed a grandma.

[Alzarius]

"They treated me so well after kidnapping me"

 

 

 

Hamas "you better give us a 5 star review or we are killing the 24 people you came in with and it'll be your fault"

 

 

[reo]

 

 

Full disclosure. I haven't watched this whole thing but this guy typically does a pretty thorough and comprehensive job.

 

[Jamalisms]

36 minutes ago, Alzarius said:

Hamas "you better give us a 5 star review or we are killing the 24 people you came in with and it'll be your fault"

 

I think so. And it might even be relatives they still have.

 

But messaging is always powerful. It's a really interesting (despicable, really) ploy.

[Starkiller]

55 minutes ago, reo said:

 

 

Full disclosure. I haven't watched this whole thing but this guy typically does a pretty thorough and comprehensive job.

 

I love the historical detail, but he seems to only care what happened thousands of years ago. It’s still just an argument to disregard who had lived there in the centuries leading up to taking the land from them and giving it to someone else to set up a newly declared country. 

[tgo]

8 hours ago, NashvilleNinja said:

 

Conniving. Starve a fever, feed a cold. Behead a baby, feed a grandma.

Every member of Hamas will be dead within a matter of a few years. They’re going to kill them all and hunt them like Nazis.

 

Much of the upper echelon of leadership and their families in Gaza (those not protected by the Qataris) have already been eliminated via targeted airstrikes. 

Edited October 25, 2023 by tgo

[tgo]

 

[IrishTitansFan]

Israel will destroy Hamas but create more militant groups 

[tgo]

 

[Starkiller]

5 hours ago, IrishTitansFan said:

Israel will destroy Hamas but create more militant groups 

That would be very on brand for Israel. Their drive to eradicate the PLO in Lebanon is what created Hezbollah. 

[IrishTitansFan]

2 hours ago, Starkiller said:

That would be very on brand for Israel. Their drive to eradicate the PLO in Lebanon is what created Hezbollah. 

Not just Israel, it’s on brand for anyone who has put boots to the ground in the Middle East 

[tgo]

 

[NashvilleNinja]

20 hours ago, Starkiller said:

I love the historical detail, but he seems to only care what happened thousands of years ago. It’s still just an argument to disregard who had lived there in the centuries leading up to taking the land from them and giving it to someone else to set up a newly declared country. 

 

But why was Israel given back to the Jews after so long? What was the rationale?

[IrishTitansFan]

 

An evil genocidal maniac vs a good man