Trump (and others) indicted in GA

[ctm]

7 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

I don't think that was reo's point. I think he was saying the fact it is such a sweetheart deal means shes spilling all the beans. 

That's why I didn't quote @reo

[Starkiller]

1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

That's not exactly how it works. The only thing needed to be proven is conspiracy in a RICO case. In that instance he's guilty of everything anyone else involved did at the time of the conspiracy. 

His lawyers will have an easier time defending him as the only defendant vs being on trial at the same time as multiple other people.

 

It’s not a question of whether a crime was committed, it’s a matter of whether he was involved. That’s how he benefits from being tried alone. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

3 hours ago, Starkiller said:

His lawyers will have an easier time defending him as the only defendant vs being on trial at the same time as multiple other people.

 

It’s not a question of whether a crime was committed, it’s a matter of whether he was involved. That’s how he benefits from being tried alone. 

I'm not entirely sure if this is correct. @TitansPDO @ChesterCopperpot1

 

What do you guys think? 

[IsntLifeFunny]

10 hours ago, begooode said:

The symbolism of take-no-prisoners, never yield Ms Kraken -- the crazy lady who was still saying in her depositions that Trump didn't go far enough, martial law, blah, blah, SO MUCH EVIDENCE, blah, blah.  For her to plead guilty, turn on the others, and fucking apologize to the electors is huge and has to be playing epically in the election-denying, rabid Trumper's mind.

 

Yes, you idiots, you were the mark! "Election Integrity" You wanted so hard to believe this utterly unamerican bullshit that you were all in on the coup.

I wouldn't go that far. They simply won't care. As to the co-defendants they know they're fucked if they were involved. This lady was the overseer for a lot of the conspiracy.

[IsntLifeFunny]

9 hours ago, reo said:

 

Again it's not that simple. It's still the same case for chesebro. It's just happening earlier for him than the others. If he's part of the conspiracy, he's responsible for all acts by the criminal conspiracy. That's the power of RICO. 

 

For a RICO charge you have to prove the conspiracy existed and 2 overt acts towards that end. It does not matter if he didn't do anything illegal.

I'm also not sure about this. I don't think it's exactly correct. They have to prove intent to knowingly enter a conspiracy to commit a crime. The crimes can be committed by others and he's in the net for it, but they do have to prove he knowingly entered into the conspiracy to commit the underlying crime. 

[begooode]

57 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

I wouldn't go that far. They simply won't care. As to the co-defendants they know they're fucked if they were involved. This lady was the overseer for a lot of the conspiracy.

Then the pile of things Trumpers won’t care about continues to grow. The pile of contradictions (they cared very much about these exact things not too long ago) continues to grow.  They can continue to move the goalposts, the narratives, the latest outrages, but they are stacking losses, regardless of their collective negation of those losses.

 

And while they can go ostrich mode now after all their grandstanding failed, I am thoroughly enjoying the scoreboard in 2023 after a dodgy 2 year run where Team Truth was taking a beating from a bunch of aggrieved nihilists cosplaying ‘patriots’. F ‘em.

[IsntLifeFunny]

2 minutes ago, begooode said:

Then the pile of things Trumpers won’t care about continues to grow. The pile of contradictions (they cared very much about these exact things not too long ago) continues to grow.  They can continue to move the goalposts, the narratives, the latest outrages, but they are stacking losses, regardless of their collective negation of those losses.

 

And while they can go ostrich mode now after all their grandstanding failed, I am thoroughly enjoying the scoreboard in 2023 after a dodgy 2 year run where Team Truth was taking a beating from a bunch of aggrieved nihilists cosplaying ‘patriots’. F ‘em.

It's going to be really interesting to see Trump's response to this. He may actually use the gag order in his favor and say how unfair it is and that he hardly knew her and then stop answering questions. That's his best route I guess, but if he doesn't and answers I wonder what he would say when this lady was on the inside and sitting at the fire place as this entire thing was hashed out. 

[begooode]

20 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

It's going to be really interesting to see Trump's response to this. He may actually use the gag order in his favor and say how unfair it is and that he hardly knew her and then stop answering questions. That's his best route I guess, but if he doesn't and answers I wonder what he would say when this lady was on the inside and sitting at the fire place as this entire thing was hashed out. 

Removing Trump for a second, the fact that a president of the United States tried to make Sidney Powell special counsel of anything after she disclosed all her crazy, unbelievable bullshit — that he knew was crazy unbelievable bullshit — to overturn his election loss is one of the most disturbing things to have ever occurred in the White House. 

Edited October 20, 2023 by begooode

[nine]

A guilty plea and future cooperation isn't enough, IMO.     

 

Sidney Powell was one of THE  most prominent and influential players responsible for the development, promotion, and media reinforcement of "The Big Lie"....a lie that undermined this nation's faith in democratic elections than any other event in American history.

 

Personally, I'd like to see her stripped of her American citizenship.   Fuck around with the fabric of democracy and find out.

[OILERMAN]

The Jan6th committee tried to get the details of  the Dec 18th meeting in the WH. That meeting reportedly included the details of how they were going to seize voting machines, martial law and some of the planning of Jan 6th. Powell, Flynn, Rudy G and Trump were all there. It included how they would knowingly and falsely claim the election was stolen.

 

Everyone claimed "executive privilege" when asked about it.

 

That's over with this plea deal. Powell has to testify about that and more. Or she goes to prison.

 

Donald Trump is going to prison

[nine]

SCOTUS established long ago that executive privilege and immunity do not extend to criminal activity.

 

There’s no question that Jack Smith will be calling Powell as a witness.  If he can use her testimony to demonstrate the plot they orchestrated was criminally fraudulent in nature,  then any claims of executive privilege and immunity instantly evaporate for that entire bunch.  
 

People of wealth, power, and influence  can get away with a lot….but nobody  fucks with American democracy.  

[Mythos27]

1 hour ago, nine said:

SCOTUS established long ago that executive privilege and immunity do not extend to criminal activity.

 

There’s no question that Jack Smith will be calling Powell as a witness.  If he can use her testimony to demonstrate the plot they orchestrated was criminally fraudulent in nature,  then any claims of executive privilege and immunity instantly evaporate for that entire bunch.  
 

People of wealth, power, and influence  can get away with a lot….but nobody  fucks with American democracy.  

This is the type of shit that makes me proud to be an American. The Trump presidency, as horrible as it was, really restored my faith in the resilience of American democracy. A lesser country would have fallen to that tyrant. 

[MadMax]

1 hour ago, Mythos27 said:

This is the type of shit that makes me proud to be an American. The Trump presidency, as horrible as it was, really restored my faith in the resilience of American democracy. A lesser country would have fallen to that tyrant. 

Little Earl, headhunter and El Gullibo can't wait to vote for him again.

Edited October 20, 2023 by MadMax
Misspelling

[reo]

11 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

I'm also not sure about this. I don't think it's exactly correct. They have to prove intent to knowingly enter a conspiracy to commit a crime. The crimes can be committed by others and he's in the net for it, but they do have to prove he knowingly entered into the conspiracy to commit the underlying crime. 

 

They have to prove he was part of the conspiracy but he does not have to do anything illegal. That's the whole point of RICO. Mob bosses would get their underlings to do all the illegal shit and never actually do anything illegal themselves. 

 

So you have to prove that there was a criminal conspiracy and then they have to prove that at least 2 overt acts were done in order to carry out that conspiracy then all involved in the conspiracy are guilty. You don't even have to actually commit the crime.

 

It's like if you're planning on robbing a bank, you don't actually have to rob the bank. You just have to make the plan and 2 acts have to be done in order for that crime to be committed. And then say you're the get away driver waiting in the car and one of your co-conspirators shoots someone in the bank then gets caught inside the bank, you as the driver who ever actually drove anywhere, is still responsible for your co-conspirator shooting the guy in the bank and for the criminal conspiracy.. as is the person who helped plan it even if they weren't anywhere near the actually heist. 

 

So in this case, Powell was part of the voting machine scheme and is able to give evidence about it. Chesebro was part of the whole conspiracy so that will include him.

 

But in this case Chesebro was in charge of the fake electors iirc so he wasn't just giving legal advice either.

 

 

EDIT: rereading your post. I think we might be talking around each other to a degree. I'm not sure if we actually disagree.

Edited October 20, 2023 by reo

[reo]

1 hour ago, Mythos27 said:

This is the type of shit that makes me proud to be an American. The Trump presidency, as horrible as it was, really restored my faith in the resilience of American democracy. A lesser country would have fallen to that tyrant. 

 

It's definitely taken steps towards restoring my faith... 2020 was awesome but 2024 imo will be another big step.