Starkiller Posted July 5, 2023 Report Share Posted July 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, El Guapo said: https://www.dailysignal.com/wp-content/uploads/LM315.pdf Doubt you will read anything by Heritage Foundation but…. As for addiction, it crosses all strata. Have you by any chance read Dreamland? Fascinating. Be careful next time when one blindly follows Science. https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem We found that the murder rate in Trump-voting states has exceeded the murder rate in Biden-voting states every year this century. Cumulatively, overall murder rates since 2000 were on average 23% higher in Trump-voting states. For the past 21 years, the top 10 murder rate states have been dominated by reliably red states, namely Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Missouri. MadMax 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted July 5, 2023 Report Share Posted July 5, 2023 54 minutes ago, Starkiller said: https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem We found that the murder rate in Trump-voting states has exceeded the murder rate in Biden-voting states every year this century. Cumulatively, overall murder rates since 2000 were on average 23% higher in Trump-voting states. For the past 21 years, the top 10 murder rate states have been dominated by reliably red states, namely Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Missouri. You obviously did not read my link. The Third Way “research” was well quoted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted July 5, 2023 Report Share Posted July 5, 2023 16 minutes ago, El Guapo said: You obviously did not read my link. The Third Way “research” was well quoted I’m merely pointing out that crime is statistically worse in red states than it is in those “Democrat run cities” that you like to decry. pat 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted July 5, 2023 Report Share Posted July 5, 2023 Stats in those red states are primarily because of the blue run cities titanruss 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted July 5, 2023 Report Share Posted July 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, El Guapo said: Stats in those red states are primarily because of the blue run cities Haha, nope… Some on the right argue that murder rates in red states are higher because of the blue cities in those red states. Of course, blue states have more blue urban areas than red states. That is what makes most states blue. The fact is that murder rates have increased in urban, suburban, and rural areas. But to answer these critics, we performed an exercise to give red states a special boost. For this exercise, we removed all of the murders in the county with the largest city for 19 of 25 red states. In six rural red states home to no cities with large numbers of murders, this calculation was not possible based on available CDC data.2 Blue states would get no such advantage. But even with the largest city removed from red states, the Red State murder gap persisted. Over the course of the full 21 years between 2000 and 2020, the Red State murder rate was still 12% higher than the Blue State murder rate, even when murders in the largest cities in those red states were removed. And the murder rate was still higher in 18 of 21 years. Between 2010 and 2020, even after removing New Orleans and Jackson, Louisiana and Mississippi continued to hold the number one and two spots for highest murder rates. Alabama, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, and Tennessee were still consistently in the top 10 after removing their largest city. In 2020, the states with the highest murder rates stayed roughly the same after making this change: Mississippi in first, then Louisiana, Alabama, South Carolina, Missouri, Illinois, Maryland, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Georgia. titanruss, IsntLifeFunny, and pat 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine Posted July 5, 2023 Report Share Posted July 5, 2023 In human society, large cities and population centers tend to be more progressive and liberal-minded ....and the rural areas tend to be deeply conservative. This isn't a Democratic/Republican or even an American thing....this is true across all human society. Large cities have far more slums and high-crime areas than rural areas....because this too is how human society works. Trying to paint it as a Democrat vs Republican thing is disingenuous and misleading.....because it has absolutely nothing to do with politics. It's simply an ugly and unfortunate aspect of the human condition. WG53, MadMax, ChemEngr79, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine Posted July 5, 2023 Report Share Posted July 5, 2023 14 hours ago, El Guapo said: You obviously did not read my link. The Third Way “research” was well quoted I read about half of it….but material that is presented as legitimate objective analysis while using pejoratives and terms like “leftist” and “Soros backed” is hard to take seriously and demands a great deal of skepticism on the reader’s part. It’s been my experience that authors who rely on such slanted and unprofessional verbiage are prone to cherry-picking facts and twisting information to support their position, while conveniently ignoring and omitting any data that doesn’t align with their agenda. IsntLifeFunny, chef, Starkiller, and 1 other 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted July 6, 2023 Report Share Posted July 6, 2023 53 minutes ago, nine said: In human society, large cities and population centers tend to be more progressive and liberal-minded ....and the rural areas tend to be deeply conservative. This isn't a Democratic/Republican or even an American thing....this is true across all human society. Large cities have far more slums and high-crime areas than rural areas....because this too is how human society works. Trying to paint it as a Democrat vs Republican thing is disingenuous and misleading.....because it has absolutely nothing to do with politics. It's because that's how human society works. No question there are societal issues. I would be happy to discuss them with you. The destruction of the family unit is the number one problem. Perpetual shit schools is another one. But while those may not ever be resolved, particularly if Democrats refuse any alternative to the current education system, then one has no alternative to enforce laws. When Democrats undermine policing, prosecutions, and refuse to even arrest criminals, then to say this is not a Democrat issue is absurd. And most Americans know that is true. And just look at NY under Guiliani and every idiot since. This will be an issue in 24. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted July 6, 2023 Report Share Posted July 6, 2023 20 minutes ago, El Guapo said: No question there are societal issues. I would be happy to discuss them with you. The destruction of the family unit is the number one problem. Perpetual shit schools is another one. But while those may not ever be resolved, particularly if Democrats refuse any alternative to the current education system, then one has no alternative to enforce laws. When Democrats undermine policing, prosecutions, and refuse to even arrest criminals, then to say this is not a Democrat issue is absurd. And most Americans know that is true. And just look at NY under Guiliani and every idiot since. This will be an issue in 24. Crime more about poverty than any other factor. Fight poverty and you fight crime. The problem is that while Democrats want to fight crime, Republicans want to fight the poor… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted July 6, 2023 Report Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 hour ago, nine said: I read about half of it….but material that is presented as legitimate objective analysis while using pejoratives and terms like “leftist” and “Soros backed” is hard to read and demands a great deal of skepticism on the reader’s part. These are clear signs of propaganda, but those who are bathing in it just don’t see it. The suckers think this is the norm. nine 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine Posted July 6, 2023 Report Share Posted July 6, 2023 4 hours ago, Starkiller said: These are clear signs of propaganda, but those who are bathing in it just don’t see it. The suckers think this is the norm. Yep. And it’s not that it’s patently false. The authors will use a good amount of of factually correct information to sell readers on the legitimacy…while also sneaking in occasion pejoratives and leading phrases to direct the reader’s opinion . For example: “That dog got out of the fence and got hit by a car. The driver was texting and not paying attention .” The reader thinks “Oh that’s just terrible…poor puppy. What an asshole.” But color it up a bit: “That rabid and aggressive dog got loose but was taken out by a heroic driver before it could threaten any children.” It’s the same incident….but by inserting a couple leading words/phrases and a bit of creative editing, now the reader is glad the dog died and sees the driver as a hero. I personally feel objectivity is critical to journalistic integrity. I don’t need or want the author’s opinion…just give me the straight facts so I can form my own opinion. But thanks to the decline of quality journalism, many authors today are more interested in pushing an agenda and providing only those facts that support it …accuracy and objectivity be damned. They’re manipulating readers and molding their opinions by spoon-feeding info that pushes the reader in a specific direction and tells the reader what to think….and sadly, far too many readers lack the critical thinking skills to recognize they’re being played. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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titanruss Posted July 10, 2023 Report Share Posted July 10, 2023 On 7/5/2023 at 5:26 PM, El Guapo said: Stats in those red states are primarily because of the blue run cities On 7/5/2023 at 5:32 PM, Starkiller said: Haha, nope… Some on the right argue that murder rates in red states are higher because of the blue cities in those red states. Of course, blue states have more blue urban areas than red states. That is what makes most states blue. The fact is that murder rates have increased in urban, suburban, and rural areas. But to answer these critics, we performed an exercise to give red states a special boost. For this exercise, we removed all of the murders in the county with the largest city for 19 of 25 red states. In six rural red states home to no cities with large numbers of murders, this calculation was not possible based on available CDC data.2 Blue states would get no such advantage. But even with the largest city removed from red states, the Red State murder gap persisted. Over the course of the full 21 years between 2000 and 2020, the Red State murder rate was still 12% higher than the Blue State murder rate, even when murders in the largest cities in those red states were removed. And the murder rate was still higher in 18 of 21 years. Between 2010 and 2020, even after removing New Orleans and Jackson, Louisiana and Mississippi continued to hold the number one and two spots for highest murder rates. Alabama, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, and Tennessee were still consistently in the top 10 after removing their largest city. In 2020, the states with the highest murder rates stayed roughly the same after making this change: Mississippi in first, then Louisiana, Alabama, South Carolina, Missouri, Illinois, Maryland, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Georgia. oof what a beatdown MadMax, and OILERMAN 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 On 7/5/2023 at 7:29 PM, Starkiller said: Crime more about poverty than any other factor. Fight poverty and you fight crime. The problem is that while Democrats want to fight crime, Republicans want to fight the poor… You are so full of shit. What exactly has been a successful Democratic program of fighting poverty since the Great Society? You have shit schools, lack of parenting, shit culture, drug abuse, etc. and every step of the way you have Democrats “caring” while they systematically dismantle every societal norm with ever increasing pablum of bs speech. And if any one points out any fact, they are attacked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Earl Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 17 minutes ago, El Guapo said: You are so full of shit. What exactly has been a successful Democratic program of fighting poverty since the Great Society? You have shit schools, lack of parenting, shit culture, drug abuse, etc. and every step of the way you have Democrats “caring” while they systematically dismantle every societal norm with ever increasing pablum of bs speech. And if any one points out any fact, they are attacked. The Democrats want to fight poverty, they just don't want to lift a finger or give up their wealth to do so. They think the government (leftist) and their stupid failed policies will someday work. Starkiller probably believes that newer idiotic ideas like Universal basic income and reparations are a wonderful idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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