OILERMAN Posted November 24, 2022 Report Share Posted November 24, 2022 14 hours ago, IrishTitansFan said: I guarantee over the 20 years he would make the playoffs a ton and be considered one of the best coaches in the league, even if it wasn't all in NE He's coached 9 seasons without Brady. He has 1 playoff win(made it as a wildcard and was blown out in round 2). 6 of those 9 seasons were losing records I wouldn't guarantee too much QB way more important than HC, even the greatest HC of all time Justafan, and Mythos27 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted November 24, 2022 Report Share Posted November 24, 2022 6 hours ago, OILERMAN said: He's coached 9 seasons without Brady. He has 1 playoff win(made it as a wildcard and was blown out in round 2). 6 of those 9 seasons were losing records I wouldn't guarantee too much QB way more important than HC, even the greatest HC of all time Agree with the sentiment but Belichick def is a major factor for a team. In NE he has a winning record without Brady. When you take out that first year it's a pretty good winning record. And Brady wasn't really Brady until maybe 2005 His QB's during that time he has a winning record Matt Cassell Jimmy G/Jacoby Brissett The Ghost of Cam Newton Mac Jones If he even found a decent QB in this hypothetical without Brady, he'd be making the playoffs year after year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted November 24, 2022 Report Share Posted November 24, 2022 We'll see what Belichich does this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 24, 2022 Report Share Posted November 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: We'll see what Belichich does this season They have a decent record with garbage QB play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OILERMAN Posted November 24, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, oldschool said: They have a decent record with garbage QB play. First of all they have literally beaten no one. But I'm not arguing BB isn't a great coach, he's the best ever. I'm arguing without a great QB he ain't doing shit. And they won't do anything this season either rns90, Justafan, Mythos27, and 2 others 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XAEA12 Posted November 24, 2022 Report Share Posted November 24, 2022 10 hours ago, OILERMAN said: He's coached 9 seasons without Brady. He has 1 playoff win(made it as a wildcard and was blown out in round 2). 6 of those 9 seasons were losing records I wouldn't guarantee too much QB way more important than HC, even the greatest HC of all time Head coaches are much like running backs - some are definitely better than others, but even a good one can only do so much better than another depending on what's around them, and the best ones are the best mainly because they are good enough to keep getting work. Look at all the hubbub for Jeff Saturday being hired and he goes out and wins his first game then almost beats the Eagles with the best record in football. Of course I take Vrabel over Mularkey but it's not like Iowa's facts are wrong even if you don't agree with his opinion. GM on the other hand is the QB - more impactful - bc a talented roster always makes coaches/coordinators look like geniuses, who then get hired by awful teams and suddenly can't coach anymore. oldschool, Mythos27, and OILERMAN 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 24, 2022 Report Share Posted November 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: First of all they have literally beaten no one. But I'm not arguing BB isn't a great coach, he's the best ever. I'm arguing without a great QB he ain't doing shit. And they won't do anything this season either I agree. Just pointing out the Pats have dogshit at Qb the past 2 years and they are still winning games. Can they compete in the playoffs with this formula? No. But they can in the regular season which is a testament to BB's coaching ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted November 24, 2022 Report Share Posted November 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, oldschool said: I agree. Just pointing out the Pats have dogshit at Qb the past 2 years and they are still winning games. Can they compete in the playoffs with this formula? No. But they can in the regular season which is a testament to BB's coaching ability. If you look at their schedule their opponents QBs are stinkier dog shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted November 24, 2022 Report Share Posted November 24, 2022 Belichick won 2 rings as a DC prior to winning 6 as a HC/GM. He drafted Tom Brady. He's a good enough coach to know he needs a QB, and while he had one he maximized results. He ain't Mike McCarthy winning one ring with Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers. TheBukafax 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted November 24, 2022 Report Share Posted November 24, 2022 6 hours ago, pat said: Belichick won 2 rings as a DC prior to winning 6 as a HC/GM. He drafted Tom Brady. He's a good enough coach to know he needs a QB, and while he had one he maximized results. He ain't Mike McCarthy winning one ring with Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers. He's the greatest coach in NFL history, maybe all of sports tgo, pat, and Mythos27 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBukafax Posted November 25, 2022 Report Share Posted November 25, 2022 10 hours ago, pat said: Belichick won 2 rings as a DC prior to winning 6 as a HC/GM. He drafted Tom Brady. He's a good enough coach to know he needs a QB, and while he had one he maximized results. He ain't Mike McCarthy winning one ring with Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers. Idk how he got the cowboys job lol pat, and Jamalisms 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted November 25, 2022 Report Share Posted November 25, 2022 Belichich is now 6-5 and has the Bills twice, Miami, Cincy, @ LV and @ the Cards I smell another losing season rns90 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzyeddie Posted November 25, 2022 Report Share Posted November 25, 2022 the greatest QB of all time just so happened to play for the greatest coach of time. XAEA12, Justafan, and OILERMAN 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted November 25, 2022 Report Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, bizzyeddie said: the greatest QB of all time just so happened to play for the greatest coach of time. ... and was drafted by the greatest GM of all time. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted November 25, 2022 Report Share Posted November 25, 2022 11 hours ago, OILERMAN said: Belichich is now 6-5 and has the Bills twice, Miami, Cincy, @ LV and @ the Cards I smell another losing season You want to know something funny/ironic, if Belicheck were a crappier coach, the odds of them finding a qb are higher. He has them around the "Fisher line" with that stiff Jones as a qb. That means drafting in the late teens. The Pats getting coached by some idiot loser like say Kingsbury would have improved their draft slot. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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