TF_Titan Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, reo said: And this is why they haven't demolished Kyiv yet. Ukrainian air defense is still very active and effective if they're shooting down Su34s. You don't typically take out these advanced fighter jets just w/ stingers. They're too fast and typically fly too high. So either this guy was flying super low and/or someone got really lucky. Or more likely, it was hit by something else. At this point I question how well trained the Russian pilots are…and honestly how good their planes are. tgo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitansFan777 Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, reo said: So either this guy was flying super low and/or someone got really lucky. Or more likely, it was hit by something else. reo, ChemEngr79, IsntLifeFunny, and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 Just now, TF_Titan said: At this point I question how well trained the Russian pilots are…and honestly how good their planes are. I mean... the Su 34 is no F22 but neither is anything else. It's faster and has more range and payload than the F35 but isn't as stealthy. That's not what the F35 is made for anyway. It's still a $40M effective jet and from what i've read and they don't have that many of them. If they lost 2 in the same day, that's fairly big. An F35 can probably evade a lot of defense systems. An Su 35, might be more adapt at flying too fast for some of them. tgo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted March 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, reo said: I mean... the Su 34 is no F22 but neither is anything else. It's faster and has more range and payload than the F35 but isn't as stealthy. That's not what the F35 is made for anyway. It's still a $40M effective jet and from what i've read and they don't have that many of them. If they lost 2 in the same day, that's fairly big. An F35 can probably evade a lot of defense systems. An Su 35, might be more adapt at flying too fast for some of them. This is a comprehensive list of documented losses for both sides. I'm confident in this list, as it corroborates with a lot of the journalists who are tracking these and the operator has resisted calls to not count Ukrainian losses. This is a civilian-level tracking project though, so assess the information accordingly. Edited March 5, 2022 by tgo reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted March 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 Another note: WaPo reported in an article yesterday that 14 Cargo aircraft from the West (over half from the US) landed in Poland to deliver weapons/supplies. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 I'm an aerospace guy. I do aerodynamic testing so them losing Su34s is interesting to me. F22 is a baller aircraft but so is the F35 for different reasons. I'll read this more closely later. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/4/us-ukraine-has-significant-majority-of-its-military-aircraft tgo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF_Titan Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, reo said: I mean... the Su 34 is no F22 but neither is anything else. It's faster and has more range and payload than the F35 but isn't as stealthy. That's not what the F35 is made for anyway. It's still a $40M effective jet and from what i've read and they don't have that many of them. If they lost 2 in the same day, that's fairly big. An F35 can probably evade a lot of defense systems. An Su 35, might be more adapt at flying too fast for some of them. Russia's economy is only slightly larger than the state of Florida. The bottom line is there's no way for them to build one of the largest militaries in the world without cutting some corners somewhere. My guess is those corners cut included training and testing. Prior to WWII the U.S. designed some new fancy torpedoes, but never tested them because they were in a depression and torpedoes are expensive to build. They didn't want to "waste" them by destroying them in tests. It wasn't until they started using them in real combat that they found out they didn't work. We may be seeing something similar with some of the Russian equipment. Edited March 6, 2022 by TF_Titan OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 2 hours ago, tgo said: Looks like a perfect target for a Molotov cocktail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 1 hour ago, reo said: I mean... the Su 34 is no F22 but neither is anything else. It's faster and has more range and payload than the F35 but isn't as stealthy. That's not what the F35 is made for anyway. It's still a $40M effective jet and from what i've read and they don't have that many of them. If they lost 2 in the same day, that's fairly big. An F35 can probably evade a lot of defense systems. An Su 35, might be more adapt at flying too fast for some of them. I just checked on this. It is mind boggling as far as thinking Russia is on par. The US has 2600+ operational 5th generation stealth fighters. Russia has none (maybe a few prototypes), and only has 125 4th generation, SU34s. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TF_Titan Posted March 5, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, 9 Nines said: Russia has none (maybe a few prototypes), and only has 125 123 4th generation, SU34s. ...not any more. Edited March 6, 2022 by TF_Titan IsntLifeFunny, Starkiller, tgo, and 2 others 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TF_Titan said: ...not any more. If the US really went to war with Russia I guess it would be like an NFL team playing a JR high football team. Edited March 5, 2022 by 9 Nines Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 So if NATO committed to a no fly zone, Russia would have to abandon the area or risk losing all if its air force inventory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 Notice how @tgohas stepped up his game since my comment? You guys are welcome. NashvilleNinja, and tgo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 18 minutes ago, oldschool said: Notice how @tgohas stepped up his game since my comment? You guys are welcome. I'm here to help @tgo Starkiller, tgo, and Rogue 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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