Rogue Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 16 hours ago, TeamRamrod said: Yes. Those are the same thing. One of my favorite pseudo-intellectual tactics is the whataboutism that has zero actual application to the original talking point and then crossing their arms smugly after lol. Also notice I said people that don’t want it BECAUSE they already paid off their loans. By the way I’m someone who HAS paid off their loans and still feels this way. And yet you didn’t offer to pay off my loan. And yes, they are the same thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 16 hours ago, LongTimeFan said: See Rogue, we think alike. In this instance we do. You know what, I’ll take that. LongTimeFan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 I intend to chime in later with more thoughts but here are two initial ones. 1. Some people need to make better choices in life. 2. Will student loan forgiveness require proof of vaccination? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 5 hours ago, Rogue said: And yet you didn’t offer to pay off my loan. And yes, they are the same thing. TeamRamrod, and Jamalisms 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 9 hours ago, LongTimeFan said: If you give one person a $50,000 debt forgiveness, why doesn't someone who paid off their loan not get $50,000 for another loan debt? Or someone who didn't go to college get $50,000 of their home or car loan or just a check for $50,000? The answer is because investing in education has a greater benefit to society than investing in cars or perhaps real estate. Inverse the numbers and it’s the same policy decision. Should we invest in public education? Public housing? Or cars for everyone? It’s obviously reasonable to make such a policy decision, it happens all the time. There’s something weird and emotional about debt that gets folks to agree to anything. It’s runs deep, and the concept is a big part of social control. TeamRamrod 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 It probably would make more sense to buy a car for every high school graduate. That would be cheaper than paying for useless college degrees and provide them with transportation to get to their blue collar jobs. pat, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, abenjami said: It probably would make more sense to buy a car for every high school graduate. That would be cheaper than paying for useless college degrees and provide them with transportation to get to their blue collar jobs. this would be so dumb for so many reasons lol Jamalisms 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 34 minutes ago, pat said: this would be so dumb for so many reasons lol I was obviously joking but for some majors it could be argued. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeFan Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 2 hours ago, pat said: The answer is because investing in education has a greater benefit to society than investing in cars or perhaps real estate. Inverse the numbers and it’s the same policy decision. Should we invest in public education? Public housing? Or cars for everyone? It’s obviously reasonable to make such a policy decision, it happens all the time. There’s something weird and emotional about debt that gets folks to agree to anything. It’s runs deep, and the concept is a big part of social control. If investing in college degrees that don't get you a job to pay off that debt, then you have made bad choices and need to figure out how to make better choices. It's not on everyone else to cover for your stupidity. As for Blue collar jobs, I know lots of trade people that make a shit ton more than degreed people and have job security. My ac guy does not even advertise and makes a shit ton of money. Well into the six figures, has a beautiful home on 10 acres and probably 6 or 7 new cars. Always has a roll of cash because most of his clients pay cash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 You know a lot of people with student debt are carrying a massive societal load and trying to make some facebook worthy arm chair generalizations about blue collar versus a useless degree is pretty stupid. Here's my proposal--let's get specific. You don't want to forgive everyone's loans-fine by me. For certain folks, that's just a fraction of what they deserve in terms of societal repayment. You love your child's teacher? How about instead of a hand drawn picture and a coffee mug with a starbucks gift card in it you lobby to make sure she has no student debt. Because the financial burden teachers alleviate for the rest of society through education and child care is staggering--and yet I know of teachers with decades long careers having to apply for second jobs at CVS and the like--that shit isn't right, and sometimes making a good political decision really is that simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 There actually was a student loan forgiveness for teachers recently but it was only $5k. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeFan Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 56 minutes ago, Bink said: You know a lot of people with student debt are carrying a massive societal load and trying to make some facebook worthy arm chair generalizations about blue collar versus a useless degree is pretty stupid. Here's my proposal--let's get specific. You don't want to forgive everyone's loans-fine by me. For certain folks, that's just a fraction of what they deserve in terms of societal repayment. You love your child's teacher? How about instead of a hand drawn picture and a coffee mug with a starbucks gift card in it you lobby to make sure she has no student debt. Because the financial burden teachers alleviate for the rest of society through education and child care is staggering--and yet I know of teachers with decades long careers having to apply for second jobs at CVS and the like--that shit isn't right, and sometimes making a good political decision really is that simple. When my girlfriend got divorced 17 yrs ago she had a 2yr old and 4 yr old and no family here to help. She got her teacher certificate, masters degree and paid off her student debt while raising 2 boys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 1 hour ago, LongTimeFan said: When my girlfriend got divorced 17 yrs ago she had a 2yr old and 4 yr old and no family here to help. She got her teacher certificate, masters degree and paid off her student debt while raising 2 boys. Great. And we should use our societal resources to make her life easier. That it can be done is not evidence we shouldn't be helpful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 Being deaf and blind isn't really a problem. Look at all that Helen Keller accomplished! reo, OILERMAN, and MadMax 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 People get madder at the thought of something like student loan forgiveness because it's something the average American can relate to. There aren't a lot of people mad that 55 companies in the S&P 500 paid no federal income tax last year or bank bail outs etc..... TeamRamrod, Alzarius, MadMax, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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