pat Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, Titans279 said: I mean that there's not a significant portion of the US population that does. Not literally no one. Sure a significant portion of the US population cares about Afghanistan but not Ukraine, I wonder why Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: Imagine @woolfolksunclesuncle saying he won't sleep with @oldschool until he plucks his eyebrows. Additionally, he'd like Oldschool to do something about his teeth ... and then Oldschool plucks out his teeth because he insists the two things must fixed using similar methodology since that's simply how the English language works in his mind. This is you trying way too hard and failing miserably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, pat said: Sure a significant portion of the US population cares about Afghanistan but not Ukraine, I wonder why I already told you why. People really only think about foreign policy when it's negative. Relatively recent examples are Iraq or Biden's botched Afghanistan pullout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 1 hour ago, pat said: The successful defense of Ukraine and re-vitalization of NATO is an achievement. Inflation obviously is a problem but don't go overboard. That's taking alot of credit away from the people of Ukraine and defending their nation to the death. oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Titans279 said: I already told you why. People really only think about foreign policy when it's negative. Relatively recent examples are Iraq or Biden's botched Afghanistan pullout. It's the same folks who care about the price of gas after 2020 but said nothing from 2016 to 2020, or even 2000 to 2008. So strange how some folks only care about negative news during certain 4 year spans, maybe a smart person like yourself can explain this phenomena. CreepingDeath, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, headhunter said: That's taking alot of credit away from the people of Ukraine and defending their nation to the death. The US gets credit for their contributions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, pat said: It's the same folks who care about the price of gas after 2020 but said nothing from 2016 to 2020, or even 2000 to 2008. So strange how some folks only care about negative news during certain 4 year spans, maybe a smart person like yourself can explain this phenomena. I hate to break it to you but voters always react negatively to higher gas prices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pat Posted April 15, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Titans279 said: I hate to break it to you but voters always react negatively to higher gas prices. Always is a big word that often leads to a poor argument I tried to help you out, but now sit down and face a fact. Above is a graph of gas prices over the last 30 years. The biggest increase happened between 2000 and 2008. Voters did not punish Bush for an increase in gas prices in 2004. Oddly enough, because voters were happy with Bush's... wait for it... foreign policy. He'd just invaded Iraq and despite vocal opposition, plenty of voters fell for "Mission Accomplished". Come on man. Do better. Edited April 15, 2022 by pat Titans279, 'Nator, Jerry Blair, and 2 others 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, pat said: Always is a big word that often leads to a poor argument I tried to help you out, but now sit down and face a fact. Above is a graph of gas prices over the last 30 years. The biggest increase happened between 2000 and 2008. Voters did not punish Bush for an increase in gas prices in 2004. Oddly enough, because voters were happy with Bush's... wait for it... foreign policy. Come on man. Do better. Foreign policy is the down list right now with what we're dealing with in our own country Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 27 minutes ago, Titans279 said: I hate to break it to you but voters always react negatively to higher gas prices. That’s why Dubya didn’t get re-elected I guess… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Starkiller said: That’s why Dubya didn’t get re-elected I guess… It's funny how ignorant you are and yet how confident you are. Yeah, people don't like high gas prices and it hurts politicians. It's amazing you need this explained! https://www.vox.com/22970811/gas-prices-biden-russia-election oldschool, headhunter, and Starkiller 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 1 hour ago, oldschool said: This is you trying way too hard and failing miserably. Sadly, I imagine you believe that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, pat said: Always is a big word that often leads to a poor argument I tried to help you out, but now sit down and face a fact. Above is a graph of gas prices over the last 30 years. The biggest increase happened between 2000 and 2008. Voters did not punish Bush for an increase in gas prices in 2004. Oddly enough, because voters were happy with Bush's... wait for it... foreign policy. He'd just invaded Iraq and despite vocal opposition, plenty of voters fell for "Mission Accomplished". Come on man. Do better. Your chart is conspicuously missing this year. We're up over $4 right now. Research shows that the higher gas prices probably did hurt Bush in 2004. Just because they didn't hurt him enough to cause him to lose doesn't mean voters didn't react negatively to the higher prices. The increase in gas prices was, in comparison to now, pretty small from 2000 to 2004 though. We're talking about a less than 50 cent increase from 2000 to 2004. Gas has gone up by more than 1 dollar in the past year now. At one point last month there was a 50 cent increase in one week! I'd expect there to be more angst among voters now than there was in 2004 given these numbers. People are not going to like rising prices regardless of the amount though. That's a fact. Bush definitely benefited from a rally around the flag effect following 9/11. That extended to the War on Terror and the invasion of Iraq. I think people wanted stability in a post 9/11 world and that's why he won. People are much less happy with the status quo right now than they were in 2004 and Biden doesn't have the (perverse) benefit of being attacked like we were on 9/11. I'm not so sure that it was really that voters were happy with Bush's foreign policy so much as it was that they did not disapprove of it yet. I assume in a world where Bush never even talked about invading Iraq he would have still won in 2004 because of the afterglow of 9/11. Edited April 15, 2022 by Titans279 oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 Bush won in 2004 because John Kerry ran titanruss, and pat 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaTitan Posted April 16, 2022 Report Share Posted April 16, 2022 8 hours ago, oldschool said: speaking of this since I'm actually looking at selling my current house and moving further out. here in VA the average mortgage rate on a loan under 500K on Monday was 6.5%; over 500K it was 4.7%. We really do fuck over the working and middle classes in all facets. its amazing. why in the world are you moving way out to Loudon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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