Legaltitan Posted April 22, 2019 Report Share Posted April 22, 2019 TBH I think the criticisms of Gruden are way overblown. They got a king's ransom for MAck - it was rated the #1 trade in all of SPORTS last year, not just football. Of course you still have to hit on the draft picks. They traded Cooper which I thought was headscratching at the time, but Cooper wasn't an all-world receiver. And then they went and got Antonio Brown, who is all world, so that was an upgrade. You look at all that in context and it looks pretty smart. Not ready to crown him or anything, but it seems like folks just ready to pounce on Gruden and pronounce him a fuck up with every story. Looking into the details of this one, this seems like a non-story/blown way out of proportion, too. Proof is in the pudding and the guy is going to have to produce, but I don't really get all the talk that Gruden is/has somehow already blown it. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted April 22, 2019 Report Share Posted April 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Legaltitan said: TBH I think the criticisms of Gruden are way overblown. They got a king's ransom for MAck - it was rated the #1 trade in all of SPORTS last year, not just football. Of course you still have to hit on the draft picks. They traded Cooper which I thought was headscratching at the time, but Cooper wasn't an all-world receiver. And then they went and got Antonio Brown, who is all world, so that was an upgrade. You look at all that in context and it looks pretty smart. Not ready to crown him or anything, but it seems like folks just ready to pounce on Gruden and pronounce him a fuck up with every story. Looking into the details of this one, this seems like a non-story/blown way out of proportion, too. Proof is in the pudding and the guy is going to have to produce, but I don't really get all the talk that Gruden is/has somehow already blown it. Not gonna lie I relate to that feeling of expecting him to fail so badly that I assume all the moves are stupid but as you said, when you look at the big picture his moves make sense. I've had to pump the breaks on the Gruden hate and with all the picks they have I wouldn't be surprised if they have a pretty good draft. I could see him even trading Carr and using the resources to move around in the draft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted April 22, 2019 Report Share Posted April 22, 2019 7 hours ago, Legaltitan said: They got a king's ransom for MAck - it was rated the #1 trade in all of SPORTS last year, not just football. Of course you still have to hit on the draft picks. The Bears stole Mack, they'd do that again in a heart beat woolfolksunclesuncle 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted April 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 Like I said before, the thing that kills me: they marched in there and started cleaning house. Trading players, firing scouts. I understand sending them home bc they're "not your guys" or bc you're gonna fire them, but why fire them? These scouts found some solid players. They found some of the top players that the Raiders have seen in 20 yrs. Now you send em packing? It's kinda cray to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted April 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Motherfuckin bump lmao OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanedUpSince'70 Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 On 4/21/2019 at 3:04 PM, OILERMAN said: You'd almost be guaranteed to lose that bet He'd be 0 for 2 then! Bears won 12 and made the playoffs... OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
socaltitan Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 On 4/22/2019 at 8:30 AM, Legaltitan said: TBH I think the criticisms of Gruden are way overblown. They got a king's ransom for MAck - it was rated the #1 trade in all of SPORTS last year, not just football. Of course you still have to hit on the draft picks. They traded Cooper which I thought was headscratching at the time, but Cooper wasn't an all-world receiver. And then they went and got Antonio Brown, who is all world, so that was an upgrade. You look at all that in context and it looks pretty smart. Not ready to crown him or anything, but it seems like folks just ready to pounce on Gruden and pronounce him a fuck up with every story. Looking into the details of this one, this seems like a non-story/blown way out of proportion, too. Proof is in the pudding and the guy is going to have to produce, but I don't really get all the talk that Gruden is/has somehow already blown it. Clelin Ferrell Trump2020 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleytolar Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Looks like Mayock had Ferrel targeted last week. Not sure what the secret was; no one was taking him in the first three picks... SleepingTitan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huston Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Ferrel was just over drafted but he is a very good defensive end. CaliTitan3518 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliTitan3518 Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Huston said: Ferrel was just over drafted but he is a very good defensive end. Agree. They reached on all 3 of their picks. They just got the guys they wanted. I don’t think they will be bad players. I don’t know if they ever live up to their draft slots though. Huston 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) On 4/22/2019 at 10:30 AM, Legaltitan said: They traded Cooper which I thought was headscratching at the time, but Cooper wasn't an all-world receiver. And then they went and got Antonio Brown, who is all world, so that was an upgrade. Just as Cooper's number went up in Dallas, Brown's will probably go down as a Raider - the Raiders' QB is the problem, not receivers. Edited April 27, 2019 by 9 Nines Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted April 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 14 hours ago, Huston said: Ferrel was just over drafted but he is a very good defensive end. He'll take a few years to adjust just like Morgan. Maybe end up being good but not great. Certainly not worthy of that draft position. (neither was Morgan) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolfolksunclesuncle Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 On 4/22/2019 at 6:01 PM, OILERMAN said: The Bears stole Mack, they'd do that again in a heart beat Yep....the Raiders traded Mack for picks so that they can draft the next.......Khalil Mack! SleepingTitan, and OILERMAN 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 I hate the Lions draft. Hockenson is good but im never a fan of taking a TE in the top ten over Dlineman. Just dumb. Huston 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No1TitansFan Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 On 4/27/2019 at 6:07 PM, headhunter said: I hate the Lions draft. Hockenson is good but im never a fan of taking a TE in the top ten over Dlineman. Just dumb. Not with Oliver and to a lesser extent Gary available. Quinn blew this draft imho, reached majorly for the Hawaiian LB in 2, he was like a 4th round guy on most boards. 4th year in as GM and 2nd with his hand picked coach; better see some improvement and I'm not optimistic. They've had Stafford since he was 20 and ten years later still haven't put much of a team around him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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