kgsTitan Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Pragidealist said: No he doesn’t. Is Mexico paying for it too? Is Hillary in jail? Is “Obamacare” gone? Did he save the coal industry? And he still has his base. He’s just got to have enough to spin bullshit. His base hasn't given up on any of these things. He's only halfway through his term. The border wall promise is as black and white as it gets, and there's no going back. Who finally pays for it can easily be argued away after the fact. Taxing remittance payments, trade deals, etc. And that's minor compared to the wall itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 If I’m the Dems, I’d publicly offer some wall funding in exchange for repealing the tax cuts. pamo9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Starkiller said: If I’m the Dems, I’d publicly offer some wall funding in exchange for repealing the tax cuts. …..after the government is opened. Just say no to republican hostage taking. You can't keep enabling these political terrorists. Edited January 19, 2019 by ctm No1TitansFan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgsTitan Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 The progessive base and has declared the wall racist, immoral, and ineffective. They can't now trade it for money. All 200 candidates for 2020 are lined up ready to denounce any possible deal that gives a $1 toward a wall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Odds are he offers some deal he can reneg on after he gets what he wants. That's his MO. He wants to get what he wants then stiff you on the bill. wtenn 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 57 minutes ago, kgsTitan said: The border wall promise is as black and white as it gets, and there's no going back. Who finally pays for it can easily be argued away after the fact I hope you didn’t donate to the gofundme page Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgsTitan Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: I hope you didn’t donate to the gofundme page I donated $50 to the border wall gofundme and $50 to the ladder gofundme. I'm a moderate, you see. Starkiller 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, kgsTitan said: The progessive base and has declared the wall racist, immoral, and ineffective. They can't now trade it for money. All 200 candidates for 2020 are lined up ready to denounce any possible deal that gives a $1 toward a wall. 12 tunnels under the border have been discovered in the San Diego area alone in the past decade. The cost estimate for the wall is 25M per mile and electronic surveillance and interdiction can be done for 500K per mile. Yes, its ineffective and a ridiculous waste of money. Edited January 19, 2019 by ctm 'Nator, Starkiller, reo, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) The democratic base will split on this issue the day after Uranium 1 explodes as a scandal, Ruth Bader Ginsberg resigns, Mueller is revealed as a Trump asset, etc. etc. Edited January 19, 2019 by ctm Btowner 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgsTitan Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ctm said: 12 tunnels under the wall have been discovered in the San Diego area alone in the past decade. The cost estimate for the wall is 25M per mile and electronic surveillance and interdiction can be done for 500K per mile. Yes, its ineffective and a ridiculous waste of money. I get that, but I really don't think that's the most effective argument against having a wall. I mean, people have broken out of prisons with fences too, but all serious prisons still have one. It's definitely not a cure-all, but it's always been considered a necessary part of the mix, including by Democrats in the past. All a wall does is make it far more difficult and time-consuming to come across illegally, and reduce the number of Border Patrol you need to enforce the border. Edited January 19, 2019 by kgsTitan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ctm said: 12 tunnels under the border have been discovered in the San Diego area alone in the past decade. The cost estimate for the wall is 25M per mile and electronic surveillance and interdiction can be done for 500K per mile. Yes, its ineffective and a ridiculous waste of money. Well let's also look at some numbers. There are about 10 million illegal immigrants every year. The majority of those are Visa over stays, not across the border. But let's be generous and say 5 million come across the border a year. And most of those wont come by land but let's be generous and say they do. 90+% of illegal immigrants are actually more law abiding than regular citizens. I think the number is actually more like 97% but we'll be generous again and say 10% are criminals. So we're at 500k. The wall also won't stop all 100% of illegal border crossings but let's be generous yet again and say it will and keep that 500k number. Now I wont be generous enough to keep that $5billion number. From most estimates we're looking at more like $25billion just for construction and that doesn't include maintenance and surveillance and law suits from the land grabs which probably gets into the trillions. That means you're looking at, in the ideal case, spending $50,000 per criminal. Hell, you could just pay every criminal $40k to go home and save money. Edited January 19, 2019 by reo OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, kgsTitan said: I get that, but I really don't think that's the most effective argument against having a wall. I mean, people have broken out of prisons with fences too, but all serious prisons still have one. It's definitely not a cure-all, but it's always been considered a necessary part of the mix, including by Democrats in the past. Yea, the most effective argument against the wall is that even republicans didn't see fit to fund it when they controlled both houses of congress for the past two years. reo, OILERMAN, and begooode 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 hours ago, NFLStudent said: If I had NOTHING to lose and I thought for a few moments that I can get better food, water, housing, more money, safety and better health care for me and my children..........and all I had to do is get over a 30 to 50 foot barrier..........not sure if that wall, fence or whatever would be enough to stop me. But whatever. Even the dumbest of people can figure it out. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Starkiller said: If I’m the Dems, I’d publicly offer some wall funding in exchange for repealing the tax cuts. Tempting but there is value in not letting him get his wall. NFLStudent 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nine Posted January 19, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Trump isn’t interested in participating in complex decisions regarding politics, economic policy, and/or global relations; he’s completely out of his element in those areas. Never mind not understanding the issues....in those conversations, he can’t even speak the language. Building a wall...now *there's* a concept he can grasp and get on board with. He found something he can understand, so he’s latched onto the idea and he’s running with it. Trump’s vision of success is and always has been defined by enormous physical structures.... tangible objects that can bear his name and that he can point to as proof of his success. His brand is his legacy. Trump Plaza...Trump’s Taj Majal....and now his dream is to build Trump’s Wall for all the world to see. He’s selling it to Americans as a means of stopping the influx of illegal drugs and undocumented immigrants....and hell, he might even believe it himself. But the bottom line is that he knows he can’t be president forever...and he can’t live with the thought of one day leaving office without building a huge hulking structure and stamping his name on it. The rest of the country might burn to the ground...but as long as he gets his wall, he’ll see his presidency as a success. luvyablue256, Starkiller, OILERMAN, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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