ctm Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 Meeting and planning sounds like conspiracy to me. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Justafan Posted December 14, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 lol... trumptard talking point after trumptard talking point just getting shredded this week. All the mental gymnastics of the past several months are making some people look REALLY stupid. IsntLifeFunny, Btowner, Omar, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Justafan said: lol... trumptard talking point after trumptard talking point just getting shredded this week. All the mental gymnastics of the past several months are making some people look REALLY stupid. It's going to get much worse for them. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 I'm getting worried about ben. He may be in Siberia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Opus74 Posted December 14, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, MadMax said: I'm getting worried about ben. He may be in Siberia. One can hope. Justafan, reo, CreepingDeath, and 3 others 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChesterCopperpot1 Posted December 14, 2018 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 On 12/12/2018 at 3:35 PM, Little Earl said: No it wasn't. And if Cohen's lawyers can prove that it was, he will win on appeal since there was no campaign finance violation. You do know you can’t appeal a plea, right? They ask you, under oath, that you are entering into it freely, voluntarily, and knowingly. Leave the legal talk to real lawyers. Btowner, begooode, CreepingDeath, and 2 others 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 4 hours ago, MadMax said: I'm getting worried about ben. He may be in Siberia. It’s all unfolding just as predicted! Justafan, and reo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 7 hours ago, ChesterCopperpot1 said: You do know you can’t appeal a plea, right? They ask you, under oath, that you are entering into it freely, voluntarily, and knowingly. Leave the legal talk to real lawyers. If nothing else, this whole ordeal is giving many Americans a long overdue re-introduction to basic civics, and how the branches of government work, especially the judiciary. I realize some of this is technical that only lawyers would or should care about. But people are out there, even on TV, indicating fundamental misunderstandings of basic legal concepts. begooode, reo, ChesterCopperpot1, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Legaltitan said: If nothing else, this whole ordeal is giving many Americans a long overdue re-introduction to basic civics, and how the branches of government work, especially the judiciary. Agreed, along with an overdue re-introduction to giving af about politics in general, and for sure the bedrock principle of checks and balances -- thank god for a competently functioning judiciary branch. Edited December 14, 2018 by begooode reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btowner Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Legaltitan said: If nothing else, this whole ordeal is giving many Americans a long overdue re-introduction to basic civics, and how the branches of government work, especially the judiciary. During one of the debates, Trump kept mentioning that Clinton did not accomplish anything in 30 years in government. I kept waiting for her to seize the moment and lecture him on his lack of understanding on the branches of the government. That a FLOTUS cannot pass legislation without Congress. This is not a dictatorship. I was expecting her to lecture him on the roles of the branches of government , her initiatives as FLOTUS and how much she worked for children's healthcare while he was playing a TV celebrity. Instead she stood there with a stupid grin on her face and totally missed the opportunity to stop that line of attack and drive the point that elementary kids had a better understanding of basic civics. It was a missed opportunity and in the next debate, she was prepared and started talking about some of the things she accomplished in Arkansas and the work she did for the Children's Defense Fund. Unfortunately, her response came off as robotic, scripted and rehearsed. It's at that point, I realized she could be prepared as possible, but was a step slow in responding to unexpected or unscripted attacks from Trump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 Justafan, Legaltitan, and ChesterCopperpot1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, OILERMAN said: It has to be proven that Trump knew what he did was criminal. In this case, ignorance is a defense.....his only defense. All the other elements are easy to prove. Edit: Just saw a 2012 fox news clip of Trump discussing the John Edwards case. Any defense of not knowing the law and what was criminal is out the window. He really has no defense. Edited December 14, 2018 by ctm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 Of course trump knew it was illegal. Thus the conspiracy and fraud to obscure the payment Justafan, begooode, and reo 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, Legaltitan said: Of course trump knew it was illegal. Thus the conspiracy and fraud to obscure the payment ….and the changing stories to obscure the truth. All evidence of consciousness of guilt. It's a weak defense, but it's all he's got. Legaltitan, and Justafan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MadMax Posted December 15, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 Yes we know,. But her emails. OILERMAN, begooode, CreepingDeath, and 4 others 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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