Titans 2026 Training Camp Discussion

[IsntLifeFunny]

9 minutes ago, reo said:

 

I wonder if we're going to find that a lot of our "OL problems" were really QB problems. 

The OL is and has been an issue since 2020. Our QB play has affected that with 2022 Tannehill, Levis, and rookie Cam, but our OL has been bottom of the barrel for a long time now. 

[reo]

2 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

The OL is and has been an issue since 2020. Our QB play has affected that with 2022 Tannehill, Levis, and rookie Cam, but our OL has been bottom of the barrel for a long time now. 

 

I think it started w/ Vrabel micromanaging the OL. I remember stories from OL where they'd have plans for how to handle a pass rush and then Vrabel would come in and throw it out the window and tell them to do vastly simplier things. And then Callahan comes in and all we hear is about how he's teaching things they'd never seen before but that's another topic.

[Callidus]

7 minutes ago, reo said:

 

I think that's flipped but in a general sense, yes Gray and James are probably the OLBs

 

Will: Gray

Mike: Hill

Sam: James

 

 

 

Gray was the ILB in the 3-4 w/ Barton iirc which makes him more of the Will in a 4-3. 

 

My thinking is even though gray is a little undersized that williams has a better background for the will. Let Gray do what he did last year and attack the LoS while williams plays the hybrid LB/S role that is more similar to the will. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

4 minutes ago, reo said:

 

I think it started w/ Vrabel micromanaging the OL. I remember stories from OL where they'd have plans for how to handle a pass rush and then Vrabel would come in and throw it out the window and tell them to do vastly simplier things. And then Callahan comes in and all we hear is about how he's teaching things they'd never seen before but that's another topic.

That and Robinson and Vrabel prioritized run blocking over pass blocking then the Callahan's wanted earth movers instead of dancing bears to go alongside a scheme that was pretty much all vertical routes. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

Williams isn't big enough to play the SAM. He would get washed out constantly. 

[reo]

1 minute ago, Callidus said:

My thinking is even though gray is a little undersized that williams has a better background for the will. Let Gray do what he did last year and attack the LoS while williams plays the hybrid LB/S role that is more similar to the will. 

 

That's going to be the difference in this entire system tbh. The line is doing the attacking. The LBs are going to be doing more reading and reacting. I won't be surprised if people think Gray has an off year this year b/c of it. 

 

James will be asked to play up tighter on the TEs where Gray will be in space more. So James' DB history could probably suit him well at SAM as sort of a bigger box safety.

[NashvilleNinja]

1 hour ago, AussieTitanFan08 said:

 

 

I remember when dat hoe was coo...l.

[scine09]

1 hour ago, TF_Titan said:

 

Not bringing in legitimate competition for Slye in the off season was a mistake. It was obvious last year he was at best inconsistent. Now they're looking for someone off the scrap heap.

Statistically Slye was one of the best kickers in the league last year.  It makes sense why they decided to bring him back without competition.  Obviously he’s struggling now but based on last year it makes sense.

Edited August 8 by scine09

[titanruss]

28 minutes ago, reo said:

 

I wonder if we're going to find that a lot of our "OL problems" were really QB problems. 

Or more scheme problems. Long developing routes with limited or no outlets was a frequency here. 

[Justafan]

They're going to play Nickel 80+% of the time. Gray will likely start at the Will since there is only a MLB and WLB on the field in Nickel. The Sam is a situational base set that will only get about 15% of snaps. It would be a complete waste to put Gray at SAM. MAYBE they shift him over and let Williams play WLB in those sets.

Edited August 8 by Justafan

[reo]

20 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Williams isn't big enough to play the SAM. He would get washed out constantly. 

 

He's listed at 6'4 242. Average SAM is 6'2-6'4 240-255 so he's on the low end but not terrible.

 

Looking at comparables:

Isaiah McDuffie: 6'1 227

Zack Baun: 6'3 225

Frankie Luvu: 6'3 235

Andrew Van Ginkel 6'4 242

 

And he's listed as the SAM in most depth charts.

 

And on top of that Gray is more of a WIL since he came into the league. I doubt they move him.

 

Gray is the primary fear in the scheme change tbh. I'm afraid the switch won't be good for him and it'll ask him to go away from what made him play so well last year.

Edited August 8 by reo

[reo]

11 minutes ago, titanruss said:

Or more scheme problems. Long developing routes with limited or no outlets was a frequency here. 

 

I still say QBs have checks for most of those or the QB needs to get off his primary read quicker. QBs tend to hunt for that big play too much.

 

Now w/ Vrabel.. that was true b/c he'd have 2 man routes a lot lol

[Callidus]

8 minutes ago, reo said:

 

He's listed at 6'4 242. Average SAM is 6'2-6'4 240-255 so he's on the low end but not terrible.

 

Looking at comparables:

Isaiah McDuffie: 6'1 227

Zack Baun: 6'3 225

Frankie Luvu: 6'3 235

Andrew Van Ginkel 6'4 242

 

And he's listed as the SAM in most depth charts.

 

And on top of that Gray is more of a WIL since he came into the league. I doubt they move him.

 

Gray is the primary fear in the scheme change tbh. I'm afraid the switch won't be good for him and it'll ask him to go away from what made him play so well last year.

Regardless of how well he plays his production likely takes a hit since he wont be the only competent LB on the field any more while also being shifted away from the center lf the field. 

[reo]

1 minute ago, Callidus said:

Regardless of how well he plays his production likely takes a hit since he wont be the only competent LB on the field any more while also being shifted away from the center lf the field. 

 

I'm just ready for all the calls for how he's regressed b/c ppl won't get how they completely changed the scheme on him lol

Edited August 8 by reo

[IsntLifeFunny]

56 minutes ago, reo said:

 

He's listed at 6'4 242. Average SAM is 6'2-6'4 240-255 so he's on the low end but not terrible.

 

Looking at comparables:

Isaiah McDuffie: 6'1 227

Zack Baun: 6'3 225

Frankie Luvu: 6'3 235

Andrew Van Ginkel 6'4 242

 

And he's listed as the SAM in most depth charts.

 

And on top of that Gray is more of a WIL since he came into the league. I doubt they move him.

 

Gray is the primary fear in the scheme change tbh. I'm afraid the switch won't be good for him and it'll ask him to go away from what made him play so well last year.

I still think I'm correct about how it plays out, but maybe I'm wrong about it. Either way, the starters need to not include Barton.