Titans Get The #4 Pick In The Draft

[OnsideKick]

 

Edited Tuesday at 03:05 PM by OnsideKick

[tgo]

30 minutes ago, TeamRamrod said:

Yeah that’s what makes having an elite one valuable.  

[NashvilleNinja]

18 minutes ago, Legaltitan said:

Nobody is saying anything close to these things about Tate.

 

BR on AJ Green as a prospect:

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/581473-aj-green-2011-nfl-draft-scouting-report

Summary: "Green’s combination of size and strength remind many, us included, of former Miami Hurricane Andre Johnson. Johnson was the No. 3 overall pick in the 2003 NFL Draft. A.J. Green could hear his name called even earlier.

Few rookies will have the opportunity to contribute as quickly as Green, and perhaps no player in this draft is better suited to play in the NFL immediately."

 

From Walter Football: "Unlike most college receivers, Green did his work in a pro offense gaining experience running the route tree. Coupled with his combination of size and speed, it is easy to see why he is considered an immediate impact player and the best prospect at the position in the past couple of years.

Player Comparison: Larry Fitzgerald. In terms of height, weight, speed and overall talent, this comparison makes the most sense. Both of them have the ability to gain possession of the football in a fight for it. Green will have to add a little bulk before he can expect to be as productive and successful as Fitzgerald in the NFL."

 

From the New York Times:

1. A.J. Green, Georgia (6-3, 211)

Green is the first player in many years whose name I would place in the same sentence as Randy Moss and draw legitimate comparisons. Green has the sudden speed and quickness that you don’t see often from a man of his height. He’s a very fluid athlete with great leaping ability, which enables him to adjust to the ball in the air with a rare flexibility.

He makes over-the-shoulder catches, one-handed leaping catches — you name the type of catch and he’ll make it. However, all of these skills aren’t solely because of his athleticism. If it were, Calvin Johnson would be a better receiver than Moss (and with the right quarterback, he could compete on that level if he stays healthy).

Green is a player I compare to Moss because he has the same special ball-tracking skills; the ability to adjust to the ball in tight coverage; and the fantastic concentration to make plays look easier than they really are. Green’s “late hands” are one reason: the ability to track the ball with his eyes and wait until the last second to bring his hands to meet the football. This gives Green an advantage in tight coverage on deep passes.

Many athletes run faster than Green, but he has more functional speed than most. It’s one thing to run fast in a straight line, but few can play football close to their top speed. We often see that kind of trait in All-Pro players.

Green also has deceptive strength, especially against press coverage; he uses his hands and arms very well to eliminate being held up in his release.

Green is the best receiver I have seen this year, and his promise is as great as those of Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson in their draft years.

 

It was an observation, not a declaration carved in granite. And ultimately it's irrelevant either way.

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https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2026/04/14/tennessee-titans-rueben-bain-car-crash-nfl-draft-evaluation/89603766007/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p&gca-uir=false&gca-epti=z114946p115550c115550e1155xxv114946&gca-ft=186&gca-ds=sophi

 

 

Anyone have access to this article? 

[TerryBoats]

46 minutes ago, TeamRamrod said:

Yeah that’s what makes having an elite one valuable.  

I haven't looked, but I'd bet that 1st round ILBs have panned out just like 1st round TEs.  The odds of hitting at the position seem really low, and a "good" player really doesn't make the same difference that a good pass rusher or LT makes.  I'll pass.

[Legaltitan]

That's fine, it's just that for whatever reason the conversation about Tate turned into a discussion of AJ Green and they are not in the same ballpark. The only reason Tate is being discussed in the top 10 is because there aren't any total stud WRs in this draft. Hell only two spots (I think) after Green the Cardinals? draft Julio Jones, was also a bonafied can't-miss stud coming out of college.

 

Ooops, the Falcons drafted Jones.

Edited Tuesday at 03:31 PM by Legaltitan

[OnsideKick]

 

[Hyperion]

18 minutes ago, Legaltitan said:

That's fine, it's just that for whatever reason the conversation about Tate turned into a discussion of AJ Green and they are not in the same ballpark. The only reason Tate is being discussed in the top 10 is because there aren't any total stud WRs in this draft. Hell only two spots (I think) after Green the Cardinals? draft Julio Jones, was also a bonafied can't-miss stud coming out of college.

 

Ooops, the Falcons drafted Jones.

 

It seems like a decent wide receiver draft. The expectation is that  five or six will be selected in the first round. That doesn't strike me as weak. Lemon hurt his stock with the interviews and Tyson has the injury issues. Perhaps that artificially elevates Tate above those guys.

 

I agree that Green would be viewed as the superior prospect to Tate in a hypothetical world where they were both in the same draft. Of course it's easier to say that when we already know AJ Green had a very solid career and Tate's career is yet to be determined. 

[japan]

10 minutes ago, Hyperion said:

 

It seems like a decent wide receiver draft. The expectation is that  five or six will be selected in the first round. That doesn't strike me as weak. Lemon hurt his stock with the interviews and Tyson has the injury issues. Perhaps that artificially elevates Tate above those guys.

 

I agree that Green would be viewed as the superior prospect to Tate in a hypothetical world where they were both in the same draft. Of course it's easier to say that when we already know AJ Green had a very solid career and Tate's career is yet to be determined. 

It is a good WR draft but there are no elite studs is what we're saying...

[Justafan]

The AJ Green comparison was a deflection when Tate's weaknesses as a prospect were pointed out (lack of high end production, lack of elite traits, lack of elite athleticism etc.) AJ Green, a prospect that came out 15+ years ago, was used to dismiss those arguments because he didn't have great production coming out and was successful. 

 

I don't know why Ninja wants to say it was just an observation now, it wasn't.

 

It's also a huge argument in favor of not drafting Tate if you have to reach back 15+ years for your example. 

[Callidus]

2 hours ago, japan said:

I thought the advent of all of the weird AJ Green talk was humorous, but are people really trying to say that Tate is comparable to Green? (And don't even mention Julio who was even better and went later...) Laughable.

Who is better is subjective and where they go is more dependent on the draft they are in. 

[Callidus]

5 minutes ago, Justafan said:

The AJ Green comparison was a deflection when Tate's weaknesses as a prospect were pointed out (lack of high end production, lack of elite traits, lack of elite athleticism etc.) AJ Green, a prospect that came out 15+ years ago, was used to dismiss those arguments because he didn't have great production coming out and was successful. 

 

I don't know why Ninja wants to say it was just an observation now, it wasn't.

 

It's also a huge argument in favor of not drafting Tate if you have to reach back 15+ years for your example. 

Ninja used that comp before anyone dismissed tate as a prospect. We talked about him months ago in dms and he used it when I was still on the fence about tate. I may not like the comp but its not as outlandish as you are making it out to be. 15 years ago wasn't the 1980s. 

[Pragidealist]

1 hour ago, OnsideKick said:

 

 

He went from totally dismissive to "in play."  Sounds like when he thought Titans would trade out until the last week, last year and pass on Cam

[Legaltitan]

49 minutes ago, Hyperion said:

 

It seems like a decent wide receiver draft. The expectation is that  five or six will be selected in the first round. That doesn't strike me as weak. Lemon hurt his stock with the interviews and Tyson has the injury issues. Perhaps that artificially elevates Tate above those guys.

 

I agree that Green would be viewed as the superior prospect to Tate in a hypothetical world where they were both in the same draft. Of course it's easier to say that when we already know AJ Green had a very solid career and Tate's career is yet to be determined. 

I didn't say it was a weak WR draft. I just said there are no bonafide stud WRs.

 

Green vs. Tate as draft prospects has nothing to do with their NFL career. I'm talking about at this stage of the process, the two guys are not in the same ballpark. 

Edited Tuesday at 04:44 PM by Legaltitan

[NashvilleNinja]

21 minutes ago, Callidus said:

Ninja used that comp before anyone dismissed tate as a prospect. We talked about him months ago in dms and he used it when I was still on the fence about tate. I may not like the comp but its not as outlandish as you are making it out to be. 15 years ago wasn't the 1980s. 

 

I've worn the comp out a bit, but I don't think I've ever said Tate was a replica of Green. It wasn't even the point of the comp anyway to say he was going to have a career as good as Green did. He may, he may not. The point of the comp was to say stylistically Tate reminded me of Green. After that was when I found the clips of a couple other football people saying they saw the same thing.

 

The hand-wringing over the comp are mostly from people looking for any reason possible to shit on the idea of drafting Tate over Love. That's the long and short of it. Bunch of little Justin Graver mini-mes in here with their "Jeremiyah Love no matter what" post-its.

 

Love is an outstanding player and likely to have a very good career. But he's not without his warts/concerns either. It's cherry picking silliness to act like he has none or that they are barely worth mentioning while at the same time acting like "nEvEr BeEn A oNe"  is an indication that Tate's some massive, horrible reach at 4, while thinking he'd be a perfectly fine selection for just about every team that drafts after the Titans.

 

Unlike some I really would be happy with either even if I prefer one over the other. It's really not more complicated than that. If others wouldn't, so be it. I'm good on the Love/Tate debate.