Callidus Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 3 hours ago, TerryBoats said: He could be a fine player but the bar is being set way too high. He has never been a WR1, has average physical attributes, yet he's a top 5 pick? They're boosting him like they put money on him going early. The best wr of all time had average physical attributes. NashvilleNinja 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 3 minutes ago, TeamRamrod said: Graver is so bad at this lol Its almost like passing is more effective at helping you score than rushing. rns90 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 1 minute ago, Callidus said: The best wr of all time had average physical attributes. I am assuming you mean Jerry Rice? He was also an exception and a different era. He was drafted 16th overall btw - and was the 3rd WR taken. I don't think you can go in trying to duplicate him. japan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 Just now, Pragidealist said: I am assuming you mean Jerry Rice? He was also an exception and a different era. He was drafted 16th overall btw - and was the 3rd WR taken. I don't think you can go in trying to duplicate him. That was the over the top example for shits and giggles. How many people have done the look at all the best wrs or best deep threats thing lately where they show their 40 times and most of then ran an average time? The leaning into measurables debate always ends with you dont need to be megatron to be great. Pragidealist 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanskick8851 Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 17 minutes ago, BeedoeLaw said: Zach Lyons had a similar conversation with Blaine today about EPA and how it does not work the same way for RBs that it does for WRs due to volume. titanruss 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 7 minutes ago, Callidus said: Its almost like passing is more effective at helping you score than rushing. You’d figure out that Titans fans would know this . And that rushing games can be shut down and neutered off way more easily Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 3 minutes ago, Callidus said: That was the over the top example for shits and giggles. How many people have done the look at all the best wrs or best deep threats thing lately where they show their 40 times and most of then ran an average time? The leaning into measurables debate always ends with you dont need to be megatron to be great. You dont need to be megatron to be great. But college production (Restrepo) often does not translate to the NFL without them. Bain and Tate are not obvious top 5 picks bc they lack the measurables. That does not mean they are not very good players but they do lack that extra "something" that helps you be confident they can be a team cornerstone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 7 minutes ago, Pragidealist said: You dont need to be megatron to be great. But college production (Restrepo) often does not translate to the NFL without them. Bain and Tate are not obvious top 5 picks bc they lack the measurables. That does not mean they are not very good players but they do lack that extra "something" that helps you be confident they can be a team cornerstone. What about his frying pan hands and elite catch rate? Not worth much? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeedoeLaw Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 8 minutes ago, rns90 said: You’d figure out that Titans fans would know this . And that rushing games can be shut down and neutered off way more easily I would argue that the only time we had competent WR and QB play to take advantage of what a great RB does for the team, we went far into the playoffs. Once with Eddie (Super Bowl) and once with Derrick Henry (AFC championship). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 9 minutes ago, Callidus said: The best wr of all time had average physical attributes. If Tate was anywhere close to being as good as Jerry Rice, he would have produced and impressed more despite sharing the field with a great WR. JSN, Olave, and Wilson were all on the field together, and they all produced more than Tate did. Tate had only one WR to compete with for targets. If he was an NFL WR1, he wouldn't have played at a collegiate WR2 level. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 I'd have no problem with Tate at 4. He'll be a Ridley replacement next year NashvilleNinja 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Callidus said: What about his frying pan hands and elite catch rate? Not worth much? It's good and it makes him a legit 1st round WR. But what is Tate's ceiling bc of his measurables? We don't know. Due to his weight and speed- we can think it's probably more limited than others that are larger and faster and/or more dynamic after the catch. Edited April 6 by Pragidealist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieTitanFan08 Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 (edited) 52 minutes ago, rns90 said: His floor is probably CLE if that’s the case, I’d be interested in knowing what the Rams would give up to move into the 4th spot Found it interesting how damning Jeremiah was on Jordyn Tyson on the Mina Kimes podcast today effectively called him soft and then throw in the durability issues it is not a good combination. If a large chunk of the league feels a similar way you can understand why since the combine the chatter has been there is a tier gap between Tate and every other WR in this draft. For the Rams sitting at 13 they might not have access to the top 2 WR Tate and Lemon if they don't jump up. Edited April 6 by AussieTitanFan08 rns90, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 58 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Catch and run/create...then you'll be out on Tate. He's as bad as Ridley after the catch. You talk like they'd be drafting him to be the slot or Z. He would step in as the X. Since when do your CTC/boundary receivers typically have huge YAC numbers? AJ Green's YAC numbers weren't especially great either, fwiw. Maybe instead of asking whether or not having mid YAC numbers makes Tate a bad X, you should ask whether or not it makes Ridley a bad Z. Because his YAC numbers at Alabama were much better than they've been in the pros. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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