Starkiller Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 12 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: Free agency has turned into a wasteland. You aren't getting quality talent in free agency anymore. The better players are likely overpaid free agents like Ridley, Sneed and Cushenberry I’m not necessarily saving the cap space for free agents (though they will invest in some by necessity). Every dollar you don’t spend this year can theoretically be available to you 5 years from now. Draft and develop players and down the road they will be needing that cap space. DCTitan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 We have the worst roster in the league. The whole team is under performing. We have a 24 years old CB who started 10+ games as a 5th round rookie heading into his second season. We are 3 games into the season at the time. He's in a bigger role and he's struggling. To the argument of the oldschools of the world he doesn't listen to us and he's just a JAG. GTFO. He immediately goes and has a strong game for another franchise. We didn't even get a draft pick for him by the way, and extra lotto shot at a player. We got a pick swap. This whole style of leadership doesn't work for me. It might work for you. The whole "my guys" style might work for you. It does not align with what I believe makes a successful operation. Ever since we got rid of AJ and got saddled with Burks, I have place more scrutiny on these moves. We already have trouble attracting talent. We've already had years of bad drafts. There will be roster turnover, sure. I don't want to see an early season--what feels like an emotional and self important decision, and perspectives like the one here--where you seem to believe players are that easy to replace. In the NFL it simply doesn't work like that. And if we are going to get rid of someone who has far outperformed the draft slot I sure as fuck would love an actual return. Like I said, I don't know what went on in that locker room. I just struggle to find scenarios where this feels like the solution. Especially on a roster devoid of talent. This isn't the Brady era Pats we've got here. TerryBoats 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 10 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: The value of nickels has sky rocketed the last few years. Chicago Bears' Kyler Gordon is the highest-paid nickel cornerback in the NFL after signing a three-year, $40 million extension. His deal surpassed previous high-water marks set by Jourdan Lewis and Taron Johnson, showing the rising market value for top slot defenders. Paying a premium for nickel corners is a relatively new trend in the NFL, driven by the increasing use of spread offenses that rely on the passing game. The list of record-breaking deals in just the last couple of years demonstrates how quickly the position's value is escalating. I wonder if they traded Brownlee because they see him as a Nickle and they actually do want to keep Mccreary. Brownlee is now the starting Nickle for the Jets. Its a stretch as you want the younger guy, but Borg wanted us to play his guys too and Brownlee starting outside was holding that up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Grizz said: We have the worst roster in the league. The whole team is under performing. We have a 24 years old CB who started 10+ games as a 5th round rookie heading into his second season. We are 3 games into the season at the time. He's in a bigger role and he's struggling. To the argument of the oldschools of the world he doesn't listen to us and he's just a JAG. GTFO. He immediately goes and has a strong game for another franchise. We didn't even get a draft pick for him by the way, and extra lotto shot at a player. We got a pick swap. This whole style of leadership doesn't work for me. It might work for you. The whole "my guys" style might work for you. It does not align with what I believe makes a successful operation. Ever since we got rid of AJ and got saddled with Burks, I have place more scrutiny on these moves. We already have trouble attracting talent. We've already had years of bad drafts. There will be roster turnover, sure. I don't want to see an early season--what feels like an emotional and self important decision, and perspectives like the one here--where you seem to believe players are that easy to replace. In the NFL it simply doesn't work like that. And if we are going to get rid of someone who has far outperformed the draft slot I sure as fuck would love an actual return. Like I said, I don't know what went on in that locker room. I just struggle to find scenarios where this feels like the solution. Especially on a roster devoid of talent. This isn't the Brady era Pats we've got here. Anyone who gives the Titans FO the benefit of the doubt that they'll replace these guys or is a damn fool. Has that worked a single time over the past 5 years? Things have looked no different with Borgonzi - more holes have been created than filled thus far. You're correct - other than Ernest Jones, this team has diddly dick to show for players who have gone on to be solid starters elsewhere. No meaningful picks or necessary cap savings, just unloading players in areas with no depth or plan as to how to replace them. Edited October 17 by TerryBoats titanruss 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 1 hour ago, OILERMAN said: What is McCreary worth in trade compensation? I'll guess a 6, 5 at best. Next question is what does it cost to pay him in March? D/k but I will also guess that he will want to maximize his value coming off his rookie contract. This is probably his best shot to get paid , I see good arguments on both sides here. freakingeek, and oldschool 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakingeek Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 2 hours ago, Callidus said: And that it will be a multi year rebuild. Good luck to the team selling PSLs in the new stadium with a 3 or 4 win season. Don't expect the Titans to start winning any time soon. This is going to take some time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 6 minutes ago, ctm said: I'll guess a 6, 5 at best. Next question is what does it cost to pay him in March? D/k but I will also guess that he will want to maximize his value coming off his rookie contract. This is probably his best shot to get paid , I see good arguments on both sides here. With the way that our former players are currently leaving and succeeding elsewhere, I'd be hesitant to allow players with any sort of quality attributes leave before I was able to properly evaluate them under my coaching staff of choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 I:ll add that Sneed and Harris will the only CBs under contract in March. Just as bad on the DL and edge. titanruss 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 49 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: The value of nickels has sky rocketed the last few years. Chicago Bears' Kyler Gordon is the highest-paid nickel cornerback in the NFL after signing a three-year, $40 million extension. His deal surpassed previous high-water marks set by Jourdan Lewis and Taron Johnson, showing the rising market value for top slot defenders. Paying a premium for nickel corners is a relatively new trend in the NFL, driven by the increasing use of spread offenses that rely on the passing game. The list of record-breaking deals in just the last couple of years demonstrates how quickly the position's value is escalating. Thats the 23rd biggest cb contract. Idk how good he is but thats hardly a game breaking deal for a db. More in line with saftey money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 9 minutes ago, freakingeek said: Good luck to the team selling PSLs in the new stadium with a 3 or 4 win season. Don't expect the Titans to start winning any time soon. This is going to take some time. They have almost already sold them all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 26 minutes ago, TerryBoats said: Anyone who gives the Titans FO the benefit of the doubt that they'll replace these guys or is a damn fool. Has that worked a single time over the past 5 years? Things have looked no different with Borgonzi - more holes have been created than filled thus far. You're correct - other than Ernest Jones, this team has diddly dick to show for players who have gone on to be solid starters elsewhere. No meaningful picks or necessary cap savings, just unloading players in areas with no depth or plan as to how to replace them. You can't compare Borganzi to the tenures of Carthon and Jrob yet. He only been on the job 10 months and hasn't had a chance to rebuild the roster yet. He deserves some time to see if he can execute and rebuild the roster. rns90, TeamRamrod, ChemEngr79, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 12 minutes ago, oldschool said: You can't compare Borganzi to the tenures of Carthon and Jrob yet. He only been on the job 10 months and hasn't had a chance to rebuild the roster yet. He deserves some time to see if he can execute and rebuild the roster. It's also a fallacy argument to begin with. How other players who have left and then performed is irrelevant to how McCreary will eventually perform elsewhere. rns90, and oldschool 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 7 minutes ago, ctm said: It's also a fallacy argument to begin with. How other players who have left and then performed is irrelevant to how McCreary will eventually perform elsewhere. yup. That was my earlier point. If your perception is that players leave the Titans and perform better elsewhere more than the league average, show us the data. Otherwise its just you in your feelings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 1 minute ago, oldschool said: yup. That was my earlier point. If your perception is that players leave the Titans and perform better elsewhere more than the league average, show us the data. Otherwise its just you in your feelings. I'm not even argueing the data. Are we supposed to believe that how Brownlee, for example, performs with the jets is a relevent predictor of how MCreary will perform with some future unkown team? I think not. oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 5 minutes ago, ctm said: I'm not even argueing the data. Are we supposed to believe that how Brownlee, for example, performs with the jets is a relevent predictor of how MCreary will perform with some future unkown team? I think not. @TerryBoats argument is just that. He claims its all related because of poor coaching and personnel decisions in the aggregate across multiple coaching staffs and personnel execs. its a way to tie everything back to AAS TeamRamrod 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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