Charlie Kirk shot UPDATE: Confirmed Dead

[Mythos27]

5 minutes ago, Little Earl said:

 

Circumstantial evidence my ass.    So he just ignores his engraving a leftist battlecry from WWII, or it being said that he was part of Antifa discord servers.

Dude, for a second; can you consider the possibility that there are people that consider themselves to be on the right that also consider other elements of the right fascist? Can you do it or does that break your "rah, rah go team" mentality too much? Political movements are coalitions and sometimes the person you think is on your "side" has insane views you don't know about or share. 

Edited September 12, 2025 by Mythos27

[tgo]

1 minute ago, Little Earl said:

 

Circumstantial evidence my ass.    So he just ignores his engraving a leftist battlecry from WWII, or it being said that he was part of Antifa discord servers.

Some of those inscriptions are indeed Antifa-adjacent sayings ideologically that are apparently widespread among Groyper/Gamer online culture. It seems like it is more of a wayward White Boy Gamer thing than a pure antifa thing from what I’m reading. These kids are confused as fuck, to put it mildly. 

[Mythos27]

2 minutes ago, tgo said:

By my estimation, it seems Fuentes/Loomer/Musk/shooter are on one side of the equation as basically Nazis (Groypers) while people like Charlie Kirk, Glenn Beck, Megyn Kelly, etc are more “Christian leaning” versions of MAGA and are considered “too moderate” for the alt right extremists. 

If you ask certain elements of the right, Trump has not done nearly enough deportations and is too soft on illegals. Let that shit sink in...

[ctm]

Shooter was raised as a Morman.  Father was a sheriff.

[tgo]

To put this into terms that my old school brain understands better -

 

Charlie Kirk would seem like more of a Barry Goldwater type (super hard core conservative Christian, vaguely racist but they don't think of themselves as so) whereas Fuentes and his ilk are more George Wallace (fringe alt right outward KKK racist) types.

 

 

Charlie Kirk on the MAGA scale of MAGA-lite (RFK Jr?) to MAGA-mid to MAGA-groyper would be a MAGA-mid "moderate."

 

And these are all variations of the far far right on a normal modern political scale. The fact that so many people think of Kirk as an open-minded moderate blows my mind.

 

No wonder centrists and classical moderates seem like "communists" to MAGA in general, I guess. Their grasp on reality is completely gone, they don't exist on the same spectrum/plane of thinking as the left and the true center. This is all madness.

Edited September 12, 2025 by tgo

[reo]

 

[Mercalius]

For those wondering the arrows on one of the casings is a key command in Helldivers 2 to call in a 500kg bomb.  Basically the game’s equivalent of a nuke.  
 

I play the game occasionally so thought I’d provide the context. 

[ctm]

Groypers are a loosely defined group of Fuentes's followers and fans.

 

Groypers are extremely conservative and critical of more mainstream conservative organizations, which they believe are insufficiently nationalist and pro-white; thus, they appeal to racists and xenophobes.[15] Groypers and their leaders have tried to position the group's ideology as based on "Christian conservatism", "traditional values", and "American nationalism". Some Groypers downplay their positions' extremism, and instruct others on how to engage in entryism and radicalization tactics such as slowly introducing their targets to increasingly extreme ideas.[16] Despite attempts to brand themselves more moderately, the group is widely recognized as white nationalist, antisemitic, and homophobic.

 

Groypers blame the mainstream conservative movement as well as the political left for what they view as "destroying white America".  Of the relationship between Groypers and the Republican Party, Fuentes has said, "We are the right-wing flank of the Republican Party". He has summarized his political ambitions by saying, "We have got to be on the right, dragging [moderate Republicans] kicking and screaming into the future. Into a truly reactionary party"

 

Ashley St. Clair, a "brand ambassador" for the conservative student group Turning Point USA, was photographed at an event featuring several allegedly white nationalist and alt-right figures, including Fuentes, Jacob Wohl, and Anthime Gionet, better known as "Baked Alaska". After Right Wing Watch brought the photographs to Turning Point USA's attention, the organization issued a statement that it had severed ties with St. Clair and condemning white nationalism as "abhorrent and un-American"

 

At the 2019 Politicon convention, Fuentes tried to access several Turning Point events featuring its founder Charlie Kirk, including a line to take photos with Kirk and Kirk's debate with Kyle Kulinski of The Young Turks. Security repeatedly barred him from being allowed near Kirk, and Fuentes accused Kirk of suppressing him to avoid a confrontation, as Fuentes had grown critical of Kirk's positions, which he believes are too weak.[25] Kirk and Rob Smith were then questioned by Patrick Casey and other plants in the audience about free speech and homosexuality. Groypers believe that mainstream conservative groups are moving the country leftward and ceding ground on cultural issues by banning members for associating with white nationalists or neo-Nazis and not caring what consenting adults do.

 

In the fall of 2019, Kirk launched a college speaking tour with Turning Point USA titled "Culture War", featuring himself and guests such as Rand Paul, Donald Trump Jr., Kimberly Guilfoyle, Lara Trump, and Dan Crenshaw.[3] In retaliation for the firing of St. Clair and the Politicon incident, Fuentes began organizing a social media campaign asking his followers to go to Kirk's events and ask provocative and controversial leading questions about his stances on immigration, Israel, and LGBT rights to expose Kirk as a "fake conservative". 

 

Fuentes's social media campaign against Kirk became known as the "Groyper Wars".[8][24] Kirk, Smith, and others at Turning Point USA, including Benny Johnson, began calling the questioners white supremacists and antisemites.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers

 

There is more in the link.

 

 

 

 

[oldschool]

Take the L motherfuckers

 

 

[Starkiller]

52 minutes ago, tgo said:

Some of those inscriptions are indeed Antifa-adjacent sayings ideologically that are apparently widespread among Groyper/Gamer online culture. It seems like it is more of a wayward White Boy Gamer thing than a pure antifa thing from what I’m reading. These kids are confused as fuck, to put it mildly. 

Sure, they listen to assholes like Charlie Kirk

[rns90]

@pat take another victory lap. You nailed this thing pages ago.

[pat]

4 minutes ago, rns90 said:

@pat take another victory lap. You nailed this thing pages ago.

1. White

2. White Supremacist

3. End of news cycle

 

It’s beyond obvious.  As someone who seeks out radical leftist circles, we tend to spend more time cooking meals and trying to get laid, less time practicing on the range.  It was pretty obvious this was a case of the right eating their own.

Edited September 12, 2025 by pat

[Starkiller]

Maybe instead of keeping trans people from getting guns we need to keep Christians from getting them…

[pat]

Or put another way, life is too short to be wasted on a dweeb like the victim of this crime.  How pathetic.

[Starkiller]

1 minute ago, pat said:

1. White

2. White Supremacist

3. End of news cycle

 

It’s beyond obvious.  As someone who seeks out radical leftist circles, we tend to spend more time cooking meals and trying to get laid, less time practicing on the range.  It was pretty obvious this was a case of the right eating their own.

It’s always the people you least suspect!