OILERMAN Posted December 31, 2025 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 I guess we're all going to just ignore Keaton Mitchell has a higher success rate than Tomato Can? Prorated over a full season the Ravens have lost 130 or so yards rushing by this mistake in terms of splitting the carries! Jamalisms, Supernope, and CreepingDeath 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzTitan Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 19 hours ago, CreepingDeath said: His 200+ yards and 4 TDs didn't help the Ratbirds win last week? The third down conversions to extend drives didn't help? In a team sport, you saying this doesn't really hold much. We all know QBs are important, but there isn't a QB playing this year that is undefeated. So I'm not sure where you plan on going with this "not winning your team much frankly" stuff. They don't win you much on their own. You can have guys like Bijan having incredible seasons and miss the playoffs. Of course you can cherry pick specific games they did but that's not what I said. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 52 minutes ago, OzTitan said: They don't win you much on their own. You can have guys like Bijan having incredible seasons and miss the playoffs. Of course you can cherry pick specific games they did but that's not what I said. I mean this is the case for literally every position...QB is the only exception and even that isn't infallible. Just look at the Bengals last year. Mythos27, and CreepingDeath 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 3 hours ago, OILERMAN said: How you acquire one really isn't the issue though.... How good your RB is has very little correlation to whether you're a contender or not. Henry and Barkley were on terrible Giants and Titan teams before going to the Eagles and Ravens. Those teams were also great running teams and contenders before either RB landed on those teams. RB is also more dependent on the supporting cast than most positions. I know, but im saying to keep cost down and to prevent wasting the pick you wait till your knocking on the door. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 4 hours ago, OILERMAN said: I guess we're all going to just ignore Keaton Mitchell has a higher success rate than Tomato Can? Prorated over a full season the Ravens have lost 130 or so yards rushing by this mistake in terms of splitting the carries! 130 yards per game? Or 7 yards per game on average? Do these 7 yards have context or are they just 7 random yards? I mean, you could probably cherry pick stats and find a way to show that multiple positions could be responsible for a net average of yards that were lost per game. Doesn't really tell the story. Stats aside, Henry is the reason they still have a shot at getting into the playoffs. If they do then you're gonna owe him a gift basket for that 4th round pick he gave us. CreepingDeath, IsntLifeFunny, and Mythos27 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepingDeath Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 5 hours ago, OILERMAN said: I guess we're all going to just ignore Keaton Mitchell has a higher success rate than Tomato Can? Prorated over a full season the Ravens have lost 130 or so yards rushing by this mistake in terms of splitting the carries! Last game is a great example of why this Trumpian math is a crock of shit. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 2 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I mean this is the case for literally every position...QB is the only exception and even that isn't infallible. Just look at the Bengals last year. Or Mahomes this year! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepingDeath Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 5 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I mean this is the case for literally every position...QB is the only exception and even that isn't infallible. Just look at the Bengals last year. 2 hours ago, IrishTitansFan said: Or Mahomes this year! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 2 hours ago, CreepingDeath said: Last game is a great example of why this Trumpian math is a crock of shit. If you need to run a back 35 times to win there are only a hand full of guys who can reasonably do it. Mythos27, LongTimeFan, and Jamalisms 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzTitan Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 9 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I mean this is the case for literally every position...QB is the only exception and even that isn't infallible. Just look at the Bengals last year. And yet when you say this about Henry/RB it seems to trigger people. IsntLifeFunny, OILERMAN, and MadMax 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 15 minutes ago, OzTitan said: And yet when you say this about Henry/RB it seems to trigger people. Fair point, but that is also on the heels of many renowned posters digging into him acting as if he's not a high caliber RB and that his production is easily replaceable. Of course people bristle at the notion. It's stupid. He's easily the best RB of this generation over his career. He's been a top 3 to 5 back every year and the very best a couple times. Jamalisms, Number9, Mythos27, and 1 other 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 1 Author Report Share Posted January 1 10 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I mean this is the case for literally every position...QB is the only exception and even that isn't infallible. No it's not. The list of positions more value than a 2 down RB is long, even if it's Derrick Henry. When the Titans lost Henry a few years back they got Foreman off the street and he was fine. We won't even talk about QB..... Lose an all pro OT and try and replace him off the streets, lose an all pro TE or WR. The simple fact is the difference in the best 2 down RB to ever play and an average 2 down RB is small. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 1 Author Report Share Posted January 1 9 hours ago, NashvilleNinja said: 130 yards per game? Or 7 yards per game on average? Do these 7 yards have context or are they just 7 random yards? No, success rate isn't "random" yards. The reason Henry's success rate is lower is because he has so many short/lost yards. If he got stuffed 5 or 6 runs in a row but busted a 70 yarder his success rate would be hurt by the 5 or 6 stuffs even if he had 7 carries for 70 yards. Mitchell is more likely to get 4 yards on 1st down without expectational blocking than Henry. But if Henry gets exceptional blocking he's more likely to get an explosive run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 22 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: No it's not. The list of positions more value than a 2 down RB is long, even if it's Derrick Henry. When the Titans lost Henry a few years back they got Foreman off the street and he was fine. We won't even talk about QB..... Lose an all pro OT and try and replace him off the streets, lose an all pro TE or WR. The simple fact is the difference in the best 2 down RB to ever play and an average 2 down RB is small. That isn't my point. I'm not saying RB is as valuable as those positions. I'm saying that the only position that designates a good team is QB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 2 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Fair point, but that is also on the heels of many renowned posters digging into him acting as if he's not a high caliber RB and that his production is easily replaceable. Of course people bristle at the notion. It's stupid. He's easily the best RB of this generation over his career. He's been a top 3 to 5 back every year and the very best a couple times. It's ridiculous bs. It ruinous to the site. Look how few new posters we attract. Titans FHOF Player. FIRST BALLOT. 39 pages and counting of Derrick Henry sucks. Proceeded by 50+ pages of Derrick Henry is a Tomato Can. Titans FHOF Player. FIRST BALLOT. Supernope 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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