Should Biden step aside (formerly debate thread)

[Justafan]

Biden couldn't carry his thoughts. He made several verbal blunders, and he just looked like the old fumbling man that right-wing pundits have painted him to be for months. It's very obvious that he hasn't been as sharp as many of his supporters and defenders have tried to lead people to believe and that the concerns over his mental lapses were justified, even if exaggerated. 

[oldschool]

43 minutes ago, nine said:

One cannot overstate how bad it looked for Biden’s campaign effort.   
 

Biden didn’t just look old…he looked downright frail and elderly.  It was easily the worst public speaking performance of his career, IMO…which also happened to be the most watched and highly anticipated event of his entire Presidency so far.  
 

If Biden loses the election, this debate will be the event everyone will point to as the reason he lost.   

 

I get that but you are projecting importance on something that historically hasn't been a factor at all when it comes to changing votes. It's for more concerning if Biden continues to look like that over the next few months on the campaign trail.

[oldschool]

58 minutes ago, No1TitansFan said:

This was fatal, perception is reality in politics and this can't be undone. So many flasehooods went unchallenged and this is the real telling thing.  Biden is no longer equipped to run against trump  who has reverted to his 2016  personna, freed prisoners and lunatics out to rape and kill white Americans. Someone capable of challenging him strongly on that has to run and it aint Biden.  This is why I stepped away from this, lol.

 

Replaced by who? Harris? She'll get crushed. If the dems bypass her it will be a disaster optics wise. The time to swap out Biden was 9 months ago. Thank goodness Trump is an historically weak candidate. 

Edited June 28, 2024 by oldschool

[ctm]

4 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

Replaced by who? Harris? She'll get crushed. If the dema bypass her it will be a disaster optics wise. The time to swap out Biden was 9 months ago. Thank goodness Trump is an historically weak candidate. 

 The democratic convention isn't until mid August.  This discussion will continue until then and continue to undermine Biden by reminding voters how bad his performance was.

 

The only practical way that I see for there to be a replacement is if Biden voluntarily steps down and Harris remains as VP.  But even with that there will be some outrage if she isn't elevated.

[Starkiller]

Hopefully someone can convince Biden that his legacy will be that he put Trump back in the White House if he doesn’t drop out.

 

If that happens it will be a messy (but entertaining) Democratic convention. I’d assume Newsom would end up getting the nomination. 

[Come on Titans]

 

[nine]

21 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

I get that but you are projecting importance on something that historically hasn't been a factor at all when it comes to changing votes. It's for more concerning if Biden continues to look like that over the next few months on the campaign trail.

Yeah, he definitely has plenty of time and opportunity to recover, for sure.  
 

It’s kinda like a defending Super Bowl champion opening the following season with an embarrassing  blowout loss to a weaker opponent.   The season is obviously far from over….but from a season opener perspective it’s the worst-case scenario.  
 

If the team recovers, then all is forgotten and nobody cares what happened in week one.
 

 But if the team underperforms all year and ends up missing the playoffs …everyone points back to that season-opening blowout as the point where everything started falling apart.  

[oldschool]

8 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

Hopefully someone can convince Biden that his legacy will be that he put Trump back in the White House if he doesn’t drop out.

 

If that happens it will be a messy (but entertaining) Democratic convention. I’d assume Newsom would end up getting the nomination. 

 

@ctm this what you are talking about? 

 

It's brain dead nonsense to think they can replace Biden at this point and win the election. This mindset is exactly why the Democrats throw away so many advantages. Extreme leftists hold the party down.

Edited June 28, 2024 by oldschool

[Tnasty]

5 hours ago, Bink said:

I really tend to believe this is the case--especially with Trump being so dangerous to democracy. Who is undecided about this election at this point? 

 

That said, this thread makes me very glad I did not watch. What a cursed timeline. 

If Trump is so dangerous why aren’t democrats demanding Biden step down to “save democracy”?

 

Democrats will say anyone who doesn’t wear a blue tie is an existential threat, what a crock.

[ctm]

3 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

@ctm this what you are talking about? 

 

It's brain dead nonsense to think they can replace Biden at this point and win the election. This mindset is exactly why the Democrat throw away so many advantages. Extreme leftists hold the party down.

 

Practicality aside, Newsom wouldn't be my choice.  Need someone more centrist.

 

In addition, with a convention in mid August, that would mean just a little over 2 months to introduce and sell a new candidate.

[No1TitansFan]

22 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

Replaced by who? Harris? She'll get crushed. If the dems bypass her it will be a disaster optics wise. The time to swap out Biden was 9 months ago. Thank goodness Trump is an historically weak candidate. 

Harris would have cleaned Trump's clock last night. She ran way to the left when she got in the race because that was trending at the time. a strategic mistake on her part. Her record as a prosecutor is way different  than that.

[Starkiller]

3 minutes ago, ctm said:

 

Practicality aside, Newsom wouldn't be my choice.  Need someone more centrist.

 

In addition, with a convention in mid August, that would mean just a little over 2 months to introduce and sell a new candidate.

Newsom has the best name recognition and would be able to hit the ground running super late in the campaign cycle. He has the best chance to win of any alternative option. 
 

Also, seeing as how a lot of people don’t like Kamala (fairly or unfairly) one benefit would be that she isn’t electorally allowed to be his running mate as both of them are from CA. He could pick someone more popular to be VP. 

[ctm]

12 minutes ago, nine said:

Yeah, he definitely has plenty of time and opportunity to recover, for sure.  
 

It’s kinda like a defending Super Bowl champion opening the following season with an embarrassing  blowout loss to a weaker opponent.   The season is obviously far from over….but from a season opener perspective it’s the worst-case scenario.  
 

If the team recovers, then all is forgotten and nobody cares.
 

 But if the team underperforms all year and ends up missing the playoffs …everyone points back to that season-opening blowout as the point where everything started falling apart.  

 There is also the chance that Biden has another bad debate performance.  What reason is there to believe that he will perform better the second time?  There is extreme risk no matter which direction the party goes.  Which risk do you want to assume?

[No1TitansFan]

1 minute ago, Starkiller said:

Newsom has the best name recognition and would be able to hit the ground running super late in the campaign cycle. He has the best chance to win of any alternative option. 
 

Also, seeing as how a lot of people don’t like Kamala (fairly or unfairly) one benefit would be that she isn’t electorally allowed to be his running mate as both of them are from CA. He could pick someone more popular to be VP. 

They can't bypass Kamala without major minroity repurcusssions and Newsome is way more connected to Cali  policy than Kamala.

[Starkiller]

Biden isn’t going to drop out today, but there is going to be a drumbeat of Democrats calling for it and his performance will affect the polls. Biden may have no choice.