2024 General Election misfire - Trump vs Biden

[ChemEngr79]

On 6/14/2024 at 2:40 PM, 'Nator said:

 

 

This video was cropped to attempt to make it look like he was wondering around and talking to no one. Not the case whatsoever. 

 

And if you think the dude, who IS old, is walking around mumbling and slobbering & they are somehow mostly covering it up you are a fucking retard.

 

Like you really, ACTUALLY think that Biden was shuffling over talking to air? Seriously that's stupid as shit to believe. 

 

Serious question: When does this encroach upon actionable slanderous behavior? I know it is much more squishy for public officials, but some of this is pretty blatant.

[Strunk'sDessert]

@HurrayTitans!!! 

 

Not shockingly silent. And I can't wait for him turn this into a whataboutism of far left MSM lying to us all constantly. 

[OILERMAN]

The one thing I like about the right is they are tough guys. They aren't going to cry a courtroom is too cold or take off running in the face of an insurrection.  

 

 

[IsntLifeFunny]

1 hour ago, OILERMAN said:

The one thing I like about the right is they are tough guys. They aren't going to cry a courtroom is too cold or take off running in the face of an insurrection.  

 

 

Give me electrocution before fighting the shark! 

[tgo]

 

[begooode]

1) Trump's convictions are starting to register apparently. 2) Repubs are ensconced in narratives over the facts related to Trump's legal proceedings.

 

21 percent of independents less likely to back Trump: Poll

 

Former President Trump’s conviction in the hush money case could turn some independent voters away from him, a new poll found. The Politico/Ipsos poll found that 21 percent of independents said they are less likely to vote for Trump after the conviction, adding that the guilty verdict in Trump’s hush money case is very important to how they will vote in November. Five percent of independents said the verdict was an important factor and that the conviction makes them more likely to support Trump. Just a small share of Republicans surveyed said they would be less likely to back the former president after his conviction.

 

Forty-one percent of Republicans said the conviction has no impact on their support for Trump and that it was not important in how they will vote. Twenty-eight percent of Republicans said that they were more likely to support Trump and that the guilty verdict was not important in how they vote.

Just 7 percent of Republicans said they are less likely to support Trump and that the conviction was important in determining their vote.

 

...Republicans in the new survey were also more likely to say that the hush money trial was not fair. Sixty-seven percent of Republicans said that the verdict was not “the result of a fair and impartial judicial process,” while 27 percent of independents and 5 percent of Democrats said the same. The poll also found that 63 percent of Republicans said President Biden was directly involved in the Manhattan district attorney’s decision to bring the New York state case against Trump. Twenty-three percent of independents said the same, according to the poll.

 

Edited June 17, 2024 by begooode

[Justafan]

4 hours ago, begooode said:

1) Trump's convictions are starting to register apparently. 2) Repubs are ensconced in narratives over the facts related to Trump's legal proceedings.

 

21 percent of independents less likely to back Trump: Poll

 

Former President Trump’s conviction in the hush money case could turn some independent voters away from him, a new poll found. The Politico/Ipsos poll found that 21 percent of independents said they are less likely to vote for Trump after the conviction, adding that the guilty verdict in Trump’s hush money case is very important to how they will vote in November. Five percent of independents said the verdict was an important factor and that the conviction makes them more likely to support Trump. Just a small share of Republicans surveyed said they would be less likely to back the former president after his conviction.

 

Forty-one percent of Republicans said the conviction has no impact on their support for Trump and that it was not important in how they will vote. Twenty-eight percent of Republicans said that they were more likely to support Trump and that the guilty verdict was not important in how they vote.

Just 7 percent of Republicans said they are less likely to support Trump and that the conviction was important in determining their vote.

 

...Republicans in the new survey were also more likely to say that the hush money trial was not fair. Sixty-seven percent of Republicans said that the verdict was not “the result of a fair and impartial judicial process,” while 27 percent of independents and 5 percent of Democrats said the same. The poll also found that 63 percent of Republicans said President Biden was directly involved in the Manhattan district attorney’s decision to bring the New York state case against Trump. Twenty-three percent of independents said the same, according to the poll.

 

Do we really think there are 21 percent of voters who lived through four years of Trump and THIS is what finally soured them? I hope its true, I just don't know how much I buy it. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

1 hour ago, Justafan said:

Do we really think there are 21 percent of voters who lived through four years of Trump and THIS is what finally soured them? I hope its true, I just don't know how much I buy it. 

I don't either, but it's possible they were people who are independent who usually vote Republican who will now vote 3rd party or just not vote. 

[Justafan]

43 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

I don't either, but it's possible they were people who are independent who usually vote Republican who will now vote 3rd party or just not vote. 

I can definitely see some right-leaning voters choosing not to vote. I know a few personally who turned their back on Trump and Republicans after Jan 6th. I just have a hard time believing that didn't sway them, but this did. Who knows though, people are crazy. 

[ctm]

The question is misleading.  Less likely isn't the same as changing your mind. Lol

[OILERMAN]

7 hours ago, Justafan said:

Do we really think there are 21 percent of voters who lived through four years of Trump and THIS is what finally soured them? I hope its true, I just don't know how much I buy it. 

 

The convictions is just one part of it. Add the election denying and Jan 6th to it as well. 

 

It's not easy to see because Trump has always been pretty bad but he's moved in total embarrassment status the last few years. There is a reason a shit ton of Republicans voted for Haley and said in exit interviews they would never vote for Trump. 

 

I absolutely believe there are people who voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 that will not vote for him this time. Those Cheney rallies are huge. 

[Justafan]

20 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

 

The convictions is just one part of it. Add the election denying and Jan 6th to it as well. 

 

It's not easy to see because Trump has always been pretty bad but he's moved in total embarrassment status the last few years. There is a reason a shit ton of Republicans voted for Haley and said in exit interviews they would never vote for Trump. 

 

I absolutely believe there are people who voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 that will not vote for him this time. Those Cheney rallies are huge. 

I 100% believe that Jan 6th moved the needle and there are people who voted for him in 2020 that won't this time around. I just don't know how much the convictions have moved the needle but fair enough. It's all speculation anyways. I'm still in the camp that has some faith left in America, and I think Trump loses by a large margin anyways. 

[ctm]

In 2022 pollsters predicted a red wave.  Didn't happen.

 

Since then Roe has fallen, democrats have either won or overperformed in special elections everywhere and now Trump has been convicted of felonies and sexual assault.

 

None of this aligns with current presidential polling.

 

[Starkiller]

44 minutes ago, ctm said:

In 2022 pollsters predicted a red wave.  Didn't happen.

 

Since then Roe has fallen, democrats have either won or overperformed in special elections everywhere and now Trump has been convicted of felonies and sexual assault.

 

None of this aligns with current presidential polling.

 

And the 2020 polls underprojected the Trump turnout, so none of it necessarily means anything

[ctm]

5 hours ago, Starkiller said:

And the 2020 polls underprojected the Trump turnout, so none of it necessarily means anything

....and Trump lost by 7M+ votes.  So they must have really underprojected Biden's vote as well.