2024 General Election misfire - Trump vs Biden

[Guest]

4 hours ago, oldschool said:

 

Sorry but you are wrong. The GOP and the RNC have been light years ahead of their counterparts when it comes to digital outreach and tapping into social media to push false narratives and stoke division and hate.

 

Well, let me rephrase. I bristle against "doing a better job" although that is definitely correct. It's an oversimplification of conservative media to media, which is an animal all of it's own--and I feel like the phrasing of "doing a better job" undersells the malfeasance behind what they are doing. So yeah, I don't disagree that is correct--I just think the story is a bit more complex than that implies, and doesn't account for what the different audiences are willing to consume. 

[OILERMAN]

8 hours ago, 'Nator said:

 

And if you think the dude, who IS old, is walking around mumbling and slobbering & they are somehow mostly covering it up you are a fucking retard.

 

Like you really, ACTUALLY think that Biden was shuffling over talking to air? Seriously that's stupid as shit to believe. 

 

Some on here think it

[MadMax]

1 hour ago, OILERMAN said:

 

Some on here think it

Or pretend to.  Actually, they're expected to - so they do.

[Justafan]

OR... Democrats aren't as smart as they think they are, and all the evils of the world aren't as one-sided as many here believe. 

[WG53]

Both sides!

[Justafan]

3 minutes ago, WG53 said:

Both sides!

Yup. I used to be much more aligned with the left, but talking to you guys every day tends to push one right. I honestly have to reel myself back in sometimes and remind myself that most people on the left aren't as dogmatic as the people on this forum. 

[titanruss]

1 hour ago, Justafan said:

Yup. I used to be much more aligned with the left, but talking to you guys every day tends to push one right. I honestly have to reel myself back in sometimes and remind myself that most people on the left aren't as dogmatic as the people on this forum. 

 

You really really seem you've come more left than in your past posting history.

But for your contrarianism, that's a psychological phenomenon... it's why Trumpers are a cult and why people with emotional connections to an idea grasp tighter to it despite overwhelming evidence that it's untrue. 

 

You could look at plenty of posters here with their football takes and it's the same thing. A bunch of dudes being unnecessarily assholish makes people defend the player they don't even care about to the point they'll die on a hill they never cared about until the BS started.

 

Does that make the hill death person correct? Nope

 

 

 

 

Edited June 15, 2024 by titanruss

[OILERMAN]

23 hours ago, Justafan said:

OR... Democrats aren't as smart as they think they are, and all the evils of the world aren't as one-sided as many here believe. 

 The criminal indictments are one sided concerning Dems vs Republican administrations

[oldschool]

2 hours ago, Justafan said:

Yup. I used to be much more aligned with the left, but talking to you guys every day tends to push one right. I honestly have to reel myself back in sometimes and remind myself that most people on the left aren't as dogmatic as the people on this forum. 

 

Nice try. you are actually starting down the path of indoctrination. It starts with being Center right, both sides'ing everything, and then before you know it, you'll be soxcat or LTF, or maybe even Earl. 

[Jamalisms]

1 hour ago, Justafan said:

Yup. I used to be much more aligned with the left, but talking to you guys every day tends to push one right. I honestly have to reel myself back in sometimes and remind myself that most people on the left aren't as dogmatic as the people on this forum. 

 

That's surprising. I would have said, being perfectly honest, that you tend to (almost always) express belief in a straight-line of conservative values and positions. Moreso than almost anyone, though I often conflate conservative and libertarian.

 

The difference between you and others is that you're often willing to discuss why and you don't seem to desire a party label and so you're capable of assessing fitness for office beyond that part label and can vote against your own views. Basically, I would have said you're pretty firmly Conservative but just not deplorable.

 

Goes to show it's easy to misjudge on a forum ... and probably misrepresent yourself as well.

[oldschool]

11 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

 

Some on here think it

 

They absolutely believe it because misinformation has been weaponized. They are kept angry at the world and told not trust any sources other than right wing media. Its a vicious cycle and breaking it is damn near impossible.

[tgo]

 

[Justafan]

4 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

 The criminal indictments are one sided concerning Dems ve Republican administrations

That's a fair point. 

[Justafan]

3 hours ago, oldschool said:

 

Nice try. you are actually starting down the path of indoctrination. It starts with being Center right, both sides'ing everything, and then before you know it, you'll be soxcat or LTF, or maybe even Earl. 

Come on. You've known me for a long time. I'm not gonna throw out common sense to jump on the religion train. The non-stop leftist agenda on this board gets tiresome, though; even when some of it's right, it's like a nonstop waterfall of propaganda, so it's natural to want to push back on that. 

[Justafan]

3 hours ago, Jamalisms said:

 

That's surprising. I would have said, being perfectly honest, that you tend to (almost always) express belief in a straight-line of conservative values and positions. Moreso than almost anyone, though I often conflate conservative and libertarian.

 

The difference between you and others is that you're often willing to discuss why and you don't seem to desire a party label and so you're capable of assessing fitness for office beyond that part label and can vote against your own views. Basically, I would have said you're pretty firmly Conservative but just not deplorable.

 

Goes to show it's easy to misjudge on a forum ... and probably misrepresent yourself as well.

Truthfully, I'm pretty left on social issues outside of trans - which I think the left has kinda lost their minds on, and some of the woke ideology, which is a little over the top. I support gay marriage, I'm a firm believer in the separation of church and state, I support (limited) gun control, and I think individuals have the right to choose on undecided issues like abortion, drugs, and even the right to assistance to end their own life if done for humane reasons. That's probably where you tend to peg me as a libertarian - because I'm a firm believer in individual freedom, but I'm not a libertarian because I do think there should be some laws that infringe if they benefit society as a whole, and I'm okay with that even if it intrudes on an individual's right - discrimination and gun control laws come to mind. 

 

Where I side with the right is mostly on economic issues where I subscribe to a philosophy of efficiency and common sense over centralized planning, regulation, and government control of resources and sectors because usually, it is much easier for bad actors to gain control of government-controlled institutions than it is for them to gain control of entire economic sectors that are privatized. No one can plan efficiently centrally, so most large-scale organizations and industries would be better off with more decentralization. I'm not fully laissez-faire either, though; some regulation is necessary and just, and the government does have a role; it's just that it's gotten a little bit ridiculous, and current spending is unjustified and unsustainable. If we had a debt ratio of around 70% of GDP vs. the 140-150% it's at now, I would probably chirp a lot less.  

 

I'm not conservative, even if I joke with WG. I don't like the idea of forcing people to live by my morals and that's what conservatives have done. They try to force traditional lifestyle and religion on people, and I think that sucks.

 

I also don't think the left is anywhere near as bad as the right now, regardless of my penchant to be the lone voice that gives reasonable descent to Biden and Democrats on this forum. If we were on a conservative forum, I would probably be giving the conservatives hell, but this forum is overwhelmingly BLUE and all of the loudest voices are diehards. If the choices were Romney vs. Biden or McCain vs. Biden, maybe I could be persuaded because there are things I could respect about both of them, but I would never vote for a man like Trump, or Cruz, or DeSantis for that matter but I voted for Obama twice, and I voted for Biden the first time, and I will vote for Biden this coming election. He's not the president I want, but he's sane, and I'm not worried about him overthrowing the government when it comes time to step down. There really is no choice from my pov. I probably come off as far more conservative than I actually am because I've been contrarian on the board, and people make me defend my beliefs far more than I make them defend theirs, so... I have more than once put myself in a bad spot on this forum and found myself fending off the "mob."

 

Really though, I'm just a guy with opinions and no party to call home. I try to be fair and I try to have reasonable conversations until people start lobbing insults and getting obnoxious because they lack the maturity to have a civil conversation with people they disagree with. 

 

Hopefully, that clears it up.