No1TitansFan Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 14 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: AP's numbers don't matter because his body was broken down by then. Anyone think a 30 year old AP was still hitting 21 MPH? Hell no. Henry is an absolute freak of nature physically. Honestly skipped the last few pages, but I agree with you and what everyone wants to ignore is that Henry has been a physical outlier at every level he's played at, including the NFL. On top of that while his training regime has gotten tons of attention, his almost equal focus on recovery hasn't and as Brady has shown, is a major component in longevity in the league. Justafan, IsntLifeFunny, and Mythos27 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 7 hours ago, Mythos27 said: Yeah, I know. You're finally being up front about it. I haven't been too shy about it but I also gave him the benefit of the doubt but it's pretty clear at this point he's about done. He finished with 18 carries for 76 yards. When the game was 17-3(halftime) he had 10 carries for 24 yards, which included the 10 yard TD. He contributed nothing to that win. If anything he was a detriment. He scratched out some late garbage yards to get to that mediocre stat line. 10 carries 38 yards the week before, 11 for 24 the week before that etc.... 2 runs over 20 yards all season. And that's because when he gets blocking to get to the 2nd level he falls down or easily gets tackled, it's not because he's getting tackled in the backfield every play. No other team would stick with a RB through a whole game doing this. He'd be replaced so fast. Stick a fork in this ol boy, he's done. We've seen it a million times, we know what it looks like, this is it Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 17 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: I haven't been too shy about it but I also gave him the benefit of the doubt but it's pretty clear at this point he's about done. He finished with 18 carries for 76 yards. When the game was 17-3(halftime) he had 10 carries for 24 yards, which included the 10 yard TD. He contributed nothing to that win. If anything he was a detriment. He scratched out some late garbage yards to get to that mediocre stat line. 10 carries 38 yards the week before, 11 for 24 the week before that etc.... 2 runs over 20 yards all season. And that's because when he gets blocking to get to the 2nd level he falls down or easily gets tackled, it's not because he's getting tackled in the backfield every play. No other team would stick with a RB through a whole game doing this. He'd be replaced so fast. Stick a fork in this ol boy, he's done. We've seen it a million times, we know what it looks like, this is it This is a bit too harsh. He's an average to above average runner at this point, nowhere near what he was He's certainly not elite and doesn't hold much value, but I wouldn't say he's completely done as being a decent to good runner Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said: This is a bit too harsh. He's an average to above average runner at this point, nowhere near what he was He's certainly not elite and doesn't hold much value, but I wouldn't say he's completely done as being a decent to good runner This gets to the whole, what is "done". Eddie George was completely washed after his toe surgery and 400+ carry season. He was pitiful. He just signed that huge contract and they kept him. He got 2 more 1k seasons before getting cut. He had over 300 carries and they just kept running no matter how bad he was. But his last 3 years he was "DONE" The year after Chris Johnson signed his deal he was absolutely pitiful. He still had over 1k and averaged 4.0 yards per carry. "Done" doesn't mean you can't compile stats or even get 1k, given the workload 1k isn't shit. Derrick Henry is not average or above average. He gets what just about any RB in the league would get, sometimes, sometimes he doesn't do that. Sure he'll have the occasional run and might even have another 100 yard game. But "Da King" is done. He's not elite, he's not above average, he's not even average. Justafan, BudsOilers, and TF_Titan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 It's funny listening to the game announcers talk about Henry. They were saying the stupidest shit vs the Panthers. Henry "wore them down" and other ridiculous common phrases etc.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeFan Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 It seems very painful to some posters that their savior Tannehill was benched. Get that anger out boys! FireInTheHole, and titanruss 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 36 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: Derrick Henry is not average or above average. He gets what just about any RB in the league would get, sometimes, sometimes he doesn't do that. Sure he'll have the occasional run and might even have another 100 yard game. But "Da King" is done. He's not elite, he's not above average, he's not even average. I disagree with this. I think from watching him vs other backs he's still a good runner, analytics will back up that he's an average to good runner The Titans run blocking is certainly doing him no favours but he still has a good burst and his vision is good, he gets taken down by arm tackles way too often but that was always the case really He's clearly lost his massive big play ability but play to play he's still fine to good as a pure runner Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 44 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said: I disagree with this. I think from watching him vs other backs he's still a good runner, analytics will back up that he's an average to good runner The Titans run blocking is certainly doing him no favours but he still has a good burst and his vision is good, he gets taken down by arm tackles way too often but that was always the case really He's clearly lost his massive big play ability but play to play he's still fine to good as a pure runner I agree with this, but as a two-down back, if he doesn't have the big play ability, he's pretty easily replaced and not worth his contract. He's better than the Julius Chestnuts of the world... is he 10+ APY better? He's not Eddie George done, but he's not still "good" at 4.2 ypc and 67 ypg. Above average is fair IMO. An above average 2 down runner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 2 hours ago, OILERMAN said: I haven't been too shy about it but I also gave him the benefit of the doubt but it's pretty clear at this point he's about done. He finished with 18 carries for 76 yards. When the game was 17-3(halftime) he had 10 carries for 24 yards, which included the 10 yard TD. He contributed nothing to that win. If anything he was a detriment. He scratched out some late garbage yards to get to that mediocre stat line. 10 carries 38 yards the week before, 11 for 24 the week before that etc.... 2 runs over 20 yards all season. And that's because when he gets blocking to get to the 2nd level he falls down or easily gets tackled, it's not because he's getting tackled in the backfield every play. No other team would stick with a RB through a whole game doing this. He'd be replaced so fast. Stick a fork in this ol boy, he's done. We've seen it a million times, we know what it looks like, this is it Arguing Henry with you is very pointless. You have your views. I'll continue to let reality prove you wrong. IsntLifeFunny, and Jamalisms 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 3 hours ago, OILERMAN said: He finished with 18 carries for 76 yards. When the game was 17-3(halftime) he had 10 carries for 24 yards, which included the 10 yard TD. He contributed nothing to that win. If anything he was a detriment. "contributed nothing".... he scored 14 of our 17 pts and we won by 1 TD. Both TD runs were great. ...and he didn't get hurt. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, titanruss said: "contributed nothing".... he scored 14 of our 17 pts and we won by 1 TD. Both TD runs were great. ...and he didn't get hurt. Yeah, who needs things like points? We only care about YPC unless Henry's YPC was ok in which case who cares? It's honestly a pointless argument at this point. Just let them sit there and stew as the guy who they think sucks is one of the few actually capable of doing anything for this offense. I was ambivalent before but now I'm really hoping we bring Henry back just to watch them freak out for years to come. The funny thing is that had it been Tannehill that passed for two short TD's they'd be jizzing all over themselves in celebration. Edited November 30, 2023 by Mythos27 LongTimeFan, IsntLifeFunny, and titanruss 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 I remember when Tannehill was going to outlast Henry and anyone who didn't think so was an idiot. Whoops! Give it enough years and Henry will be as done as people have insisted for awhile now. Then they can be right "all along." IsntLifeFunny, and Mythos27 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 15 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: It isn't that you're usually wrong, it's that for some reason you do what I do which is say stupid shit, except I do it for fun and you do not. Prime Marshawn Lynch was not in the same league as prime Henry. From the end of 2018 until Henry broke his foot go ahead and find me anything resembling that from Lynch. I'll be waiting till eternity because it doesn't exist. You stay stupid shit because you're a poser who tries to fake knowledge. Lynch's 4 year stretch from 2011-2014 was putting up an average of 1836 yards from scrimmage and 16 TD per year when his team won 2 conference championships and 1 SB and was 6-2 in the playoffs. Henry's 2018 to 2021 stretch: 1679 yards from scrimmage and 15 TD per year on a team that made an AFCC one year were 2-3 in the playoffs overall. Is Henry's peak production better? 2019/2020 - yeah. But Lynch's peak production results in 2 SB appearances and 1 win. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 8 hours ago, No1TitansFan said: Honestly skipped the last few pages, but I agree with you and what everyone wants to ignore is that Henry has been a physical outlier at every level he's played at, including the NFL. On top of that while his training regime has gotten tons of attention, his almost equal focus on recovery hasn't and as Brady has shown, is a major component in longevity in the league. AP wasn't a physical outlier? LOL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 2 hours ago, titanruss said: "contributed nothing".... he scored 14 of our 17 pts and we won by 1 TD. Both TD runs were great. ...and he didn't get hurt. The short yardage run was a nice tough run. The 10 yarder was supremely blocked and any NFL RB scores on that play. Justafan, and titanruss 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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