Justafan Posted November 9, 2023 Report Share Posted November 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: To this travesty of a conversation? No thanks. I'll just snipe at the dumb stuff from the sides, thanks much. Pay attention to the snipes, retort less and reconsider more and you might even learn something about where the arguments fail. Your choice, really. I'm sure it comes off as crying too! Maybe you should follow your own advice. Jamalisms 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 9, 2023 Report Share Posted November 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, titanruss said: From the Jax game in 2018 (you could maybe go back to the NE game to see the slight uptick in production begin) until the game before RT played at all in 2019 ... 11 games including playoffs, Henry had : 1157 rushing yards, 12 rush TDs. 174 rec yards and 1 rec td... and 6 passing yards. for... 1337 total yards and 13 tds in 11 games.... Thats over 2000 all purpose yards and 20 TDs in a 17 game season. I don't know how anyone can say he wasn't elite already. Did the production get even better with RT ? Yes! Did RT "make Henry" into an elite back... no dude, not even close. Yea, and if I cherry pick Tannehill's best stats while ignorning his worst, he looks elite too. Come on man, this is disengenous. Jamalisms 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 9, 2023 Report Share Posted November 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Justafan said: I'm sure it comes off as crying too! Maybe you should follow your own advice. Again.. This isn't about football for him. Its about e-cred and taking Oman and others down a notch. Once you realize that you understand not to engage him on anything football related because its pointless. Jamalisms, and Justafan 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 9, 2023 Report Share Posted November 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, big2033 said: 100%. So we can agree that Tannehill wasn't some 15-20 QB. In the right system he was a top 10 guy who was sometimes capable of producing at a top 5 level? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 9, 2023 Report Share Posted November 9, 2023 1 minute ago, oldschool said: Again.. This isn't about football for him. Its about e-cred and taking Oman and others down a notch. Once you realize that you understand not to engage him on anything football related because its pointless. I know. I'm trying to be reasonable. I admit I'm not good at it like @Mythos27 lol! Mythos27, and rns90 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 9, 2023 Report Share Posted November 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Justafan said: I know. I'm trying to be reasonable. I admit I'm not good at it like @Mythos27 lol! me neither. We should all be more like @Mythos27 no bullshit. Justafan, IsntLifeFunny, and rns90 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted November 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2023 Henry came into his own in late 2018, before Tannehill. Nuh-uh. Yes he did, here's his stats during that time. Stop cherry picking stats by including everything from the period you're discussing! --- titanruss, and reo 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rns90 Posted November 9, 2023 Report Share Posted November 9, 2023 I don’t agree with that argument that Sanders made Scott Mitchell elite . They played in the run and shoot and that inflated the stats and didn’t Herman Moore set the single season catch record in 1995? OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 9, 2023 Report Share Posted November 9, 2023 Just now, Jamalisms said: Henry came into his own in late 2018, before Tannehill. Nuh-uh. Yes he did, here's his stats during that time. Stop cherry picking stats by including everything from the period you're discussing! In the games Tannehill played his last year in Miami he was on pace for almost 4000 yards passing and 30 TDs. Is that an accurate representation of what led to his trade? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 9, 2023 Report Share Posted November 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, rns90 said: I don’t agree with that argument that Sanders made Scott Mitchell elite . They played in the run and shoot and that inflated the stats and didn’t Herman Moore set the single season catch record in 1995? I don't have any problems saying that good-to great rb play helps. Of course it helps. I do have a problem with saying it has a huge impact in the passing game. If that's the case it should be repeatable and easily demonstrable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jamalisms Posted November 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2023 Just now, Justafan said: In the games Tannehill played his last year in Miami he was on pace for almost 4000 yards passing and 30 TDs. Is that an accurate representation of what led to his trade? Will my response change whether or not you can actually look at, consider and discuss the impact of Henry's production over that 11 game span as it relates to the idea he produced before the QB switch? If so, what do I need to answer so that you do? I'm happy to help, just tell me how. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted November 9, 2023 Report Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Justafan said: So we can agree that Tannehill wasn't some 15-20 QB. In the right system he was a top 10 guy who was sometimes capable of producing at a top 5 level? I mean ... not exactly but at this point it's semantics. I think he's capable of being in the top 10 in the right system and will just leave it at that. He's one of those top 12-15 QBs. Like a Kirk Cousins - who has had an amazing career. There are some seasons where there are only 5 top QBs. Another where there are only 7, another where there are 10. Edited November 9, 2023 by big2033 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted November 9, 2023 Report Share Posted November 9, 2023 35 minutes ago, oldschool said: any conversation on this topic must start with a baseline of Tannehill played great in 2019 and 2020, top 5 stats wise. If you can't admit that, no point in having the conversation. His stats were great. I won't dispute that. I never thought he was as good as the stats would tell you. Again, a solid quarterback who was put into the perfect system that played around his talents and hid his warts as much as possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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