Levis named the starter moving forward

[scine09]

Just now, BudsOilers said:

Post less was far more nice than telling you you're stupid....    

Cool.  You disagree with me.  I'm completely fine with that.  What I'm not fine with is getting stalked on a message board.

[oldschool]

3 minutes ago, SleepingTitan said:

And my true argument the whole time has been: if you need a perfect team for your QB to perform well, you don't have a good QB. Peak Tannehill was when Jrob's dream draft in 2019 + some good FAs came together. We squeezed all the juice out of that fruit. The writing was on the wall regarding RT in 2021. 

 

Then he had to go get therapy. Then the injuries. Like I've said, we had a good run with RT, but many on this board were "bag holders."

 

"In financial slang, a bagholder is a shareholder left holding shares of worthless stocks."

 

You don't need perfect. Thats the problem with your stance. While Tannehill has obviously not been as good as needed, the gutting of the offense since 2020 and the inability to build a quality OL are massive factors and no, getting a new QB doesn't fix the roster around the QB. You live in this dream world where non al time QBs elevate talent around themselves. Its simply not true.

[Mythos27]

Just now, oldschool said:

 

I think there was hope if they surrounded Tannehill with Pass Protection and weapons while riding Henry, they could compete. I also think the team and fans weighted the issues in 2021 and 2022 too heavily toward the rest of the offense and didn't attribute enough of the offensive issues to Tannehill simply regressing. 

I think some of us commented on the regression from Tannehill last season. I made some long ass post detailing some of the ways I felt he was worse but I still hold that the decline in talent is like 80% of the problem. The injuries in particular were just devastating. I think that as devoid of talent as we are right now, we probably win more games in 2021 and 2022 with what we have now. It just so happens that Tannehill's decline coincided with his "most talented" roster in the last 3 seasons. Sucks to suck. Luckily we have Levis to give us a boost but it's a tall order for him too. 

[reo]

alright. this has been a blast but i've got a meeting about our upcoming missile defense system so ya'll have fun

 

 

kidding.. actually

 

 

 

[BudsOilers]

2 minutes ago, scine09 said:

The problem is that Tannehill wasn't good enough then nor was he good enough at any point in his career to win with consistently unless he had a ton of help.  It's why he's always been considered mostly a tier 3 QB.  I still don't think the Titans ever thought that Tannehill was a building block.  He was a solid QB that you can win with, but he was never going to be THE reason or a big reason like some of these elite QBs are.  Obviously all QBs need help.  Even Patrick Mahomes.  But the likes of Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Rodgers, Lawrence, Herbert, etc can do it with a lot less help than Tannehill needs.  I hope that makes sense.

Ton of help = quality starters at WR/TE and and offensive line that's not the worst or bottom 5 unit in the NFL.

 

And no, the names you're throwing out there would not be doing good things with the personnel and play calling the Titans have.  

[big2033]

17 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

right. I forgot you are one of those that can't admit Tannehill played great in 2019-2020 and was very good in 2021 before the Bengals playoff loss. I'll say it again since you struggle with reading comp

 

Tannehill had to play great this year, maybe even approach 2019-2020 levels of play, to have any shot of keeping the QBOTF on the bench in 2024. I never said it was a lock or even possible. Go back and read my posts, you won't, where I said Tannehill had regressed since 2021.

 

Carson Wentz had a great year too. But if you're not doing it consistently it's time to look at other factors that could've led to that season.

 

Say, a 2,000-yard running back? Or a game-changing WR who had 1,000 yards with Mariota. 

 

He was never going to get back to "2020 levels" unless Henry was running for 2,000. And teams weren't going to let that happen.

Edited November 8, 2023 by big2033

[SleepingTitan]

Don't forget yall gave Tannehill credit for even Henry's success. Then a year later told everyone that teams don't stack boxes to defend the run. Both can't be true, and that's not even my point. 

 

My point is that you can't give a guy credit for success and then not give him credit for the failure later. 

[BudsOilers]

3 minutes ago, scine09 said:

Cool.  You disagree with me.  I'm completely fine with that.  What I'm not fine with is getting stalked on a message board.

Yeah because you lied about the whole conflicted down stuff accusing me of only doing it because it defended Tannehill.....even though others rightfully pointed out you were dead wrong.  And I'm still waiting for you to admit that.  Until then, you will get the appropriate level of disdain.

[SleepingTitan]

If you give him back his #1 running back, the best receiver in the league, and a pro bowl oline, he could do it again!!!!!!!!!!! 

[Titans279]

16 minutes ago, Jamalisms said:

For the record:

 

There's maybe one QB with a worse passer rating than Ryan Tannehill this year. Even bums like Jimmy G did better. It's rare a QB does worse than what Tannehill managed. A rookie on his own team did better. Way better and in his first-ever game. Dobbs did better going to a new team and taking no snaps and not knowing the plays or the players.

 

ABT is pretty much exactly how it worked out this year, excepting Willis. Pointing out all the other guys people wanted this year is an exercise in pointing out all the many times they were right. It's a weird *divot* to die on.

For the record, some of us pointed out how dumb most ABT plans were that weren’t drafting a rookie.
 

You can say Garoppolo played better, but we’d still be paying Tannehill 18m right now plus whatever we paid Garoppolo (he got 3 years/73m from LV), who also got benched for a rookie. It would have been a dumb decision to do “ABT” and most the options were just as bad or worse outcomes for the team.

 

Ran made the right decision when he told Tannehill “where he stood” with the team.  
 

I assume it was something like play like you did before and stay healthy and you can have a future here. Well, neither happened. 
 

Levis was the backup plan because there’s no way you could bank on a 35 year old injured Tannehill returning to form. That was the major dumb take from the “brain trust”

[oldschool]

5 minutes ago, bizzyeddie said:

ride that fence

 

keep lying...

[big2033]

2 minutes ago, SleepingTitan said:

Don't forget yall gave Tannehill credit for even Henry's success. Then a year later told everyone that teams don't stack boxes to defend the run. Both can't be true, and that's not even my point. 

 

My point is that you can't give a guy credit for success and then not give him credit for the failure later. 

 

Everyone with a brain knows this was the Derrick Henry era. And it will go down as the Henry era.

 

Everything on offense centered around him down to removing Tannehill at times in the redzone.

 

Vrabel knew who our key player was. These guys are just delusional.

Edited November 8, 2023 by big2033

[Righteous]

There was never ABT crowd.  There were 5-10 loud posters who would tell you how great Tannehill was.  But it didn't matter whether you were in the barbershop, post office, bar, grocery store, office HH…whenever you mentioned you were a Titans fan, the immediate reaction was your QB is trash.  The entire football world knew of Tannehill’s limitations, except for 5-10 posters on this Board.  The FO tried to upgrade the position every year.  So, why now would we spend this much Board space trying to prove the 5-10 idiots in the whole football world was wrong?  It's a waste of time.

 

It's funny, the same idiots have started the Vrabel is trash movement and even thought he would go back to Tannehill.  How dumb can they be? Vrabel is pissing his pants with excitement to finally rid himself of Tannehill and the albatross he brings.  Vrabel is one of the best coaches in this league and definitely one of the best coaches this organization has seen.  He won despite Tannehill.  So to all other posters, don’t fall for another stupid narrative of the 5-10 idiot posters.  

[scine09]

1 minute ago, BudsOilers said:

Yeah because you lied about the whole conflicted down stuff accusing me of only doing it because it defended Tannehill.....even though others rightfully pointed out you were dead wrong.  And I'm still waiting for you to admit that.  Until then, you will get the appropriate level of disdain.

I liked about what?  You're literally the first person I've ever seen use that term.  I'm fine if it's a term that's used but the next I hear an analyst use it will be the first time.  And I do think much of what you post here is a way of either being contrarian, defending Tannehill, or both.  You made a thread after the Falcons game just to say that Levis did exactly what Tannehill did.  You want to discredit Levis any way possible.  Why?  Because any success Levis has goes against your constant narrative.  There's very little chance you're ever going to admit that Tannehill was never an elite QB.  And again, if that's your opinion, that's fine.  I don't happen to agree with it but whatever.

[Jamalisms]

1 minute ago, Titans279 said:

For the record, some of us pointed out how dumb most ABT plans were that weren’t drafting a rookie.
 

You can say Garoppolo played better, but we’d still be paying Tannehill 18m right now plus whatever we paid Garoppolo (he got 3 years/73m from LV), who also got benched for a rookie. It would have been a dumb decision to do “ABT” and most the options were just as bad or worse outcomes for the team.

 

Ran made the right decision when he told Tannehill “where he stood” with the team.  
 

I assume it was something like play like you did before and stay healthy and you can have a future here. Well, neither happened. 
 

Levis was the backup plan because there’s no way you could bank on a 35 year old injured Tannehill returning to form. That was the major dumb take from the “brain trust”

 

I don't disagree.