Justafan Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 (edited) Bottom line is they lack pass catching talent like you would expect on a good offense. Our presumable top 3 starting WRs right now - (2022 stats) Burks - 33 catches for 444 yards and 1 TD NWI - 25 Catches for 397 yards and 3 TDs Moore - 48 Catches for 548 yards and 2 TDs Wild Cards - Kyle Phillips - 8 catches, 78 Yards and 0 TDs Chig Okonkwo - 32 Catches for 450 Yards and 3 TDs Go ahead and add Derrick Henry in there for another 398 yards on 33 catches and 0 TDs. Unless you are looking forward to <3000 yard passing offense with <20 TDs you should be concerned with the current state of skill players that Tannehill has to work with. Now maybe several guys take a leap. Maybe NWI was hurt last year and he's better than we thought. Maybe Colton Dowell is a hidden gem. Maybe the pass protection helps these guys look better than they are. Lots of ifs but on paper, fans have every right to be concerned and that's really the point. Not who could start on what roster blah blah who cares. Edited May 11, 2023 by Justafan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 2 hours ago, AussieTitanFan08 said: That is the theme for this offense entering the 2023 season there is zero track record of any player having sustained above average receiving production, also zero track record of any OL playing at a high level over a sustained period (3+ years). And an apparently new offense. Which means our RB might not work because everyone thinks he needs something specific. And our hopes of Tanny returning to 2019/2020 in a different offense are even less likely. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mythos27 Posted May 16, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 I've asked this question before and no one ever answers; who are the QBs that are consistently producing at an elite level with absolute shit around them? Those guys don't exist. Every good QB has good weapons. IsntLifeFunny, IowaOiler, Justafan, and 2 others 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted May 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: I've asked this question before and no one ever answers; who are the QBs that are consistently producing at an elite level with absolute shit around them? Those guys don't exist. Every good QB has good weapons. Take a look at the top pass protecting teams. Typically those teams have the top offenses. Justafan, and Mythos27 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulluck4dmvp Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 36 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: Take a look at the top pass protecting teams. Typically those teams have the top offenses. Aka not us. Maybe one day! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 With a new OC, system and huge turnover of offensive players, the biggest challenge is for the coaches to get the players ready to contribute opening day, not mid season. Btowner, and Justafan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Mythos27 said: I've asked this question before and no one ever answers; who are the QBs that are consistently producing at an elite level with absolute shit around them? Those guys don't exist. Every good QB has good weapons. Chicken and the egg. Good QBs hide plenty of flaws and you might not recognize "absolute shit around them." BudsOilers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans79 Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: Chicken and the egg. Good QBs hide plenty of flaws and you might not recognize "absolute shit around them." I would say great to Elite can hide those flaws around them. They are the exception to the rule. Good QBs still need at least a solid supporting cast imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 26 minutes ago, titans79 said: I would say great to Elite can hide those flaws around them. They are the exception to the rule. Good QBs still need at least a solid supporting cast imo. Sure. It's a spectrum, as ever, but I think we're talking extremes in terms of guys who truly cover it all. A "just good" QB will end up suffering plenty. Anyway, show me a QB producing despite absolute shit surrounding them and I'll show you surrounding players that must needs receive that production and so never get considered absolute shit. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 Players seem to be emphasizing that there’s a lot to learn with the new system and that the tempo is a different animal - requiring additional conditioning. They’re also using increased offseason conditioning as one of the means to prevent soft tissue injuries later on - foregoing Vrabel’s typical rest and recovery focused approach. Justafan, and IsntLifeFunny 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 24 minutes ago, tgo said: Players seem to be emphasizing that there’s a lot to learn with the new system and that the tempo is a different animal - requiring additional conditioning. They’re also using increased offseason conditioning as one of the means to prevent soft tissue injuries later on - foregoing Vrabel’s typical rest and recovery focused approach. Good. The resting bullshit needs to stop. The offseason is as easy and soft as ever. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Jamalisms said: Chicken and the egg. Good QBs hide plenty of flaws and you might not recognize "absolute shit around them." They can hide some things. They can't hide a complete mess. Everything has a breaking point. Who are the QBs consistently producing at an elite level with bad O-lines AND bad receiving corps? Since this is the standard it should be easy to name these guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: They can hide some things. They can't hide a complete mess. Everything has a breaking point. Who are the QBs consistently producing at an elite level with bad O-lines AND bad receiving corps? Since this is the standard it should be easy to name these guys. 40 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: Anyway, show me a QB producing despite absolute shit surrounding them and I'll show you surrounding players that must needs receive that production and so never get considered absolute shit. And I certainly didn't say it was "standard" anyway. I'm saying that if your situation exists in theory, it won't actually look like that situation and people won't agree it's that situation. It's generally an impossible request because it's a chicken or the egg situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: They can hide some things. They can't hide a complete mess. Everything has a breaking point. Who are the QBs consistently producing at an elite level with bad O-lines AND bad receiving corps? Since this is the standard it should be easy to name these guys. The argument is started and ended with Brady. He's the greatest QB to play the game. His passer rating jumped 16 points going from NE to Tampa and he went from 26 TDs to 40 when pretty much everyone wrote him off. pat, Justafan, and Mythos27 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) All I'll say is go look up great QBs and you'll see they magically have consistent olines. I doubt it's just due to smart GMs. Not to say our oline wasn't bad, but QB pressure and sacks falls WAY too hard on the oline when the QB is partly the cause. People use to shit on Seattle's oline under Russel Wilson for years, when in truth it's Wilson's style that causes a lot of these sacks. We saw it take shape in Denver. So, the best thing you can do is look at a QB's body of work (sack % etc.) and see if there's a pattern there before you start pointing fingers. There's too many variables in this sport, so all you have left is a player's career play and average. If not, you just end up looking for your own biases. Edited May 16, 2023 by big2033 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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