flaming_thumbtack Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 The point isn’t that teams don’t want to pay him. That’s extremely reasonable and expected. Paying Lamar what he wants is very likely a stupid thing to do. The interesting piece is that I can’t remember so many teams publicly coming out so quickly and in such relatively high numbers to say that they aren’t interested in a free agent. Occasionally you might see a team or two do such a thing but even then it’s not super common and it’s certainly not often within an hour or two of a player’s release (or non-exclusive tag). This is especially true for the teams without established QBs who stand nothing to gain from coming out; you could even argue that not coming out gives them more negotiating power in FA and draft trades (but also maybe not so I wouldn’t think about that too much). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 all the hate on Watson people act like he didn’t miss a whole season and barely played in 6 games, he’s still cut above Jackson in terms of passing the ball. The simple fact is Jackson is not a passer he generates high touchdown percentages throwing because defenses lose track of receivers when he buys time scrambling. He’s throwing to basically uncovered guys half the time. But when he’s forced to stay in the pocket those windows close and he’s very limited. Again collusion or not Watson is still a way better passer, understands defenses more and has higher upside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 hour ago, flaming_thumbtack said: The point isn’t that teams don’t want to pay him. That’s extremely reasonable and expected. Paying Lamar what he wants is very likely a stupid thing to do. The interesting piece is that I can’t remember so many teams publicly coming out so quickly and in such relatively high numbers to say that they aren’t interested in a free agent. Occasionally you might see a team or two do such a thing but even then it’s not super common and it’s certainly not often within an hour or two of a player’s release (or non-exclusive tag). This is especially true for the teams without established QBs who stand nothing to gain from coming out; you could even argue that not coming out gives them more negotiating power in FA and draft trades (but also maybe not so I wouldn’t think about that too much). I just listened to an interview with the beat reporter who covers the Commanders and he said teams with QB needs were almost forced to come out and say they werent interested after one team broke the seal otherwise their silence would be taken as a sign they are interested which in turn would drive the market up. He said will know in a few weeks whether all these teams really aren't interested. rns90, IsntLifeFunny, and Justafan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansfan Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 2 hours ago, tgo said: Lamar Jackson is a moron and he's essentially being willfully used by the NFLPA. I mean yeah. NFLPA looks in the interests of the players so of course they are vested in making sure Lamar is successful Herr. I wouldn't necessarily call it "using him". It's not like they deliberately set him up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) Jackson also has a major part in this by refusing to hire an agent. He'd already know his market worth if he had an agent and whether tramsbwould beguiling to give him a fully guaranteed contract like awarson or one more in line with a cousins extension. Edited March 8, 2023 by oldschool tgo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, titansfan said: I mean yeah. NFLPA looks in the interests of the players so of course they are vested in making sure Lamar is successful Herr. I wouldn't necessarily call it "using him". It's not like they deliberately set him up. They're trying to make a precedent of fully guaranteed contracts titansfan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 Of course the NFLPA is going to cry collusion and presumably imply racism into this because what they want is fully guaranteed contracts like the NBA and MLB. Using the other leagues is flawed and the NFL is too smart for this (Haslam's excluded) as the injury risks and career longevity is entirely different. If anything, any movement towards fully guaranteed contracts would result in shorter deals and likely lower APY's..... rns90, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: Of course the NFLPA is going to cry collusion and presumably imply racism into this because what they want is fully guaranteed contracts like the NBA and MLB. Using the other leagues is flawed and the NFL is too smart for this (Haslam's excluded) as the injury risks and career longevity is entirely different. If anything, any movement towards fully guaranteed contracts would result in shorter deals and likely lower APY's..... Bingo. Players want shorter fully guaranteed contracts so they can more opportunities to earn more money. Teams want longer partial guaranteed with escalators and incentives so they can get out of underperformed contracts and maintain cap flexibility. Justafan, and rns90 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBukafax Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 15 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: Of course the NFLPA is going to cry collusion and presumably imply racism into this because what they want is fully guaranteed contracts like the NBA and MLB. Using the other leagues is flawed and the NFL is too smart for this (Haslam's excluded) as the injury risks and career longevity is entirely different. If anything, any movement towards fully guaranteed contracts would result in shorter deals and likely lower APY's..... I bet there would be a ton of Borlands who retire young too. Get that fully guaranteed money and be done after a season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansfan Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 QBs will get fully guaranteed contracts eventually, at least the top ones (and regardless of what anyone says, Jackson is a top one generally speaking). This is about accelerating the progress to make that happen oldschool, rns90, Justafan, and 2 others 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 Jackson is not a top tier QB. Tards are gonna tard.... OILERMAN, and Justafan 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) The top QB contracts will be essentially guaranteed just as they are today and predicated on the player producing in line with the contract. They won't be fully guaranteed like Watson's. LOL thinking owners will give in to this idea after seeing the Rodgers, Watson, Wilson, Dak, and Murray deals all bring awful ROI's. Edited March 8, 2023 by BudsOilers rns90, and Justafan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: The top QB contracts will be essentially guaranteed just as they are today and predicated on the player producing in line with the contract. They won't be fully guaranteed like Watson's. LOL thinking owners will give in to this idea after seeing the Rodgers, Watson, Wilson, Dak, and Murray deals all bring awful ROI's. Watson's contract is an outlier. Cousins contract is the bar for new contracts imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 Just now, oldschool said: Watson's contract is an outlier. Cousins contract is the bar for new contracts imo. Yes - short term; lower APY in exchange for guarantee.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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