reo Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Rogue said: https://www.newsweek.com/these-are-8-republicans-who-voted-against-ending-russias-trade-status-1689242 Is that the bill they are referring to? I was thinking they were in the same bill but I'll have to check and make sure. Been running all afternoon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, pat said: The fact that Trump managed to get elected with the help Russian digital astro-turfing doesn't invalidate every executive power granted to the president. Even if he was a traitorous pro-authoritarian buffoon. He did a lot of damage to America -- how many covid deaths -- but it's a sign of our strength that the damage was relatively limited. This sanctioning capability doesn't even strike me as bad as say the PATRIOT Act. "deep concerns about the provisions of this bill that would permanently empower the President with the unilateral authority to issue sanctions against anyone who he deems responsible for an undefined 'serious human rights abuse." So, you're saying you wouldn't have issue with this if Trump was signing this bill and the concerns were legitimate? I'm curious, are you trying to convince yourself or someone else? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, reo said: I was thinking they were in the same bill but I'll have to check and make sure. Been running all afternoon. I haven't looked into it. Just made a passing comment that turned into a few pages of back and forth with people being called traitors. Right within TR fashion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/18/europe/russia-putin-ukraine-invasion-rally-intl/index.html It’s scary what’s been done under the banner of patriotism and how effective it is on us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rogue said: I haven't looked into it. Just made a passing comment that turned into a few pages of back and forth with people being called traitors. Right within TR fashion. Sounds about right lol Looking into it further. It seems like it wasn't even a bill. They're voting to remove Russia's "favored trade status". At which point they could apply new taxes to Russian goods. Seems like what they might be having issue w/ is another bill that would then come into play but they don't actually reference how or why or what bill. They mentioned H.R. 1708 but that bill was passed years ago from what I've been able to find. In the end, it sounds like they're being intentionally obscure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, reo said: Sounds about right lol Looking into it further. It seems like it wasn't even a bill. They're voting to remove Russia's "favored trade status". At which point they could apply new taxes to Russian goods. Seems like what they might be having issue w/ is another bill that would then come into play but they don't actually reference how or why or what bill. They mentioned H.R. 1708 but that bill was passed years ago from what I've been able to find. In the end, it sounds like they're being intentionally obscure. I saw Boebert mentioned H.R. 1708 and looked it up, but it doesn't appear to have anything to do with anything Ukraine. I just figured no one can figure out what the hell she's talking about and moves on. All I can find about voting to end "Russia's preferential trade status" is a Bloomberg article behind a paywall. So I can't see it. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeFan Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 Biden should have had a drone strike on Putin as he was standing on that stage today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) I honestly think Russia will lose this war and maybe sooner than what people think. Edited March 18, 2022 by headhunter reo, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, headhunter said: I honestly think Russia will lose this war and maybe sooner than what people think. Ukraine just shot down 2 planes carrying Russia's elite soldiers lol It's going to get worse before it gets better though. Putin has chemical weapons and tactical nukes. They haven't used either. I'm expecting them to at least use chemical weapons before they give up... and they'll try to blame it on Ukraine. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 I'll say this. Russia wouldnt have stopped at Ukraine, if they were successful early, China would have moved in on Taiwan and then we would have world war 3, I truly believe that. It's been amazing what Ukraine is doing, Russia has the numbers yes but they are walking into a meat grinder and they have no intelligence working in their favor. Russia is operating on old world war 2 tactics, I don't think anybody realizes this. Russia is definitely a paper tiger but as I say that they are capable of dropping a nuke on Poland just for being sore losers and a laughing stock to the world. But Russia cant resupply their troops, can't feed them and it's only gonna get worse for them. It's obvious the U.S. is literally watching Russia everywhere, we have eyes right on their bases and when their supplies leave. It really is like shooting fish in a barrel. pat, and titanruss 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, reo said: It's going to get worse before it gets better though. Putin has chemical weapons and tactical nukes. They haven't used either. I'm expecting them to at least use chemical weapons before they give up... and they'll try to blame it on Ukraine. I mentioned Russia is fully capable of dropping a nuke and chemical weapons because they are sore losers, but if they did that the whole world would respond militarily and Russia's military bases and Moscow would be wiped off the map so fast within hours if they did that. China has backed off, Russia cant provide any financial benefit to China and maybe never will, China knows what hand feeds them, but I still think they told Putin if he invaded they will too and have each other's back. They will back off that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Rogue said: "deep concerns about the provisions of this bill that would permanently empower the President with the unilateral authority to issue sanctions against anyone who he deems responsible for an undefined 'serious human rights abuse." So, you're saying you wouldn't have issue with this if Trump was signing this bill and the concerns were legitimate? I'm curious, are you trying to convince yourself or someone else? Let me illustrate my position by asking about another executive power. Do you have a problem with the president's ability to declassify information? Do you have a problem with Trump declassifying state secrets to reveal national secrets to Putin? Does that mean you have a problem with Trump? Or does that mean you have a problem with the president's ability to declassify information? titanruss, and Jerry Blair 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 54 minutes ago, pat said: Let me illustrate my position by asking about another executive power. Do you have a problem with the president's ability to declassify information? Do you have a problem with Trump declassifying state secrets to reveal national secrets to Putin? Does that mean you have a problem with Trump? Or does that mean you have a problem with the president's ability to declassify information? I'm not sure you understand how this question/answer thing works. I ask you a question, and as opposed to you asking another question, you answer the original question. See? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Rogue said: I'm not sure you understand how this question/answer thing works. I ask you a question, and as opposed to you asking another question, you answer the original question. See? How do you think this question and answer thing should work? OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 In America, people have freedom of speech. That includes the freedom to tell on themselves. Any thing you say can and will be used against you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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