Invasion of Ukraine: Drone Incursion Into Poland

[Come on Titans]

 

[Come on Titans]

 

[Titans279]

 

[TF_Titan]

The question is not whether or not Putin is crazy enough to use nukes. It's whether or not the people who would have to carry out his orders are also crazy enough to use nukes.

[tgo]

 

[tgo]

 

[begooode]

Glory reports noted, but I don't think Putin blinks. He's old school USSR, and in his mind Ukraine is his and will be savaged and suppressed as needed.  It's going to be a very bad 48-72 hours for Kiev.  They need to surrender soon or risk martyring way too many of their citizens who will support the coming insurgency that could effectively form a pincer move on Putin's Russia along with sustained brutal sanctions/divestitures from the West.

 

Russian citizens will tire of their broken economy while coping with a costly occupation of Ukraine (including occasional body bags).  The oligarchs just want an off-ramp from Putin's obsession to enjoy their fortunes around the globe without risk.  Whatever is put in place by Putin for Ukraine will be painful, but ultimately it will not last long after his regime comes to an end, imo. But many will die if this goes much further.  The military numbers just do not work out, and direct NATO conflict is a short-sighted option with the most unpredictable results and biggest downside risk.

[Starkiller]

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-hypes-bayraktar-drone-as-videos-show-destroyed-russia-tanks-2022-2
 

As Russia pounded Ukraine in the opening days of its invasion, the defenders credited a new piece of equipment with helping them fight back — the Bayraktar TB2 drone.

 

Videos shared by the Ukrainian military showed at least one strike appearing to tear apart a column of Russian tanks and other armored vehicles.

 

The Russian invasion of Ukraine represents the first outing in a major conflict for the Bayraktar, an armed drone with 12-meter wingspan and distinctive triangular tail section.

 

It is produced by the Turkish weapons manufacturer Baykar, which says the drones can reach altitudes of 25,000 ft and fly for 27 continuous hours, operated remotely from up to 300km away. Each one can carry up to four laser-guided bombs or rockets, for an estimated total payload of 150 kilograms. 

[Titans279]

Americans obviously didn't have an appetite for war after the past 20 years, but things can change fast.

 

• Americans say 63 – 32 percent that they are concerned that Russia may use nuclear weapons if NATO, which includes the United States, tries to interfere with Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
• Americans think 66 – 20 percent that Putin has intentions to invade other countries beyond Ukraine.
• If Russia invades a NATO country, Americans say 70 – 21 percent that American troops should get involved.
• Support has increased for President Biden’s decision to deploy thousands of troops to Eastern Europe to support U.S. allies in NATO. Americans now support the decision 70 – 21 percent. In a February 16, 2022 Quinnipiac University Poll, they supported it 54 – 36 percent.

 

 

 

Edited February 28, 2022 by Titans279

[Titans279]

Also, the numbers in the tweet are kind of funny because there's really not that much Biden could do to be "tougher" on Russia that doesn't involve getting the US military involved.

[tgo]

 
Interesting

[reo]

50 minutes ago, begooode said:

Glory reports noted, but I don't think Putin blinks. He's old school USSR, and in his mind Ukraine is his and will be savaged and suppressed as needed.  It's going to be a very bad 48-72 hours for Kiev.  They need to surrender soon or risk martyring way too many of their citizens who will support the coming insurgency that could effectively form a pincer move on Putin's Russia along with sustained brutal sanctions/divestitures from the West.

 

Russian citizens will tire of their broken economy while coping with a costly occupation of Ukraine (including occasional body bags).  The oligarchs just want an off-ramp from Putin's obsession to enjoy their fortunes around the globe without risk.  Whatever is put in place by Putin for Ukraine will be painful, but ultimately it will not last long after his regime comes to an end, imo. But many will die if this goes much further.  The military numbers just do not work out, and direct NATO conflict is a short-sighted option with the most unpredictable results and biggest downside risk.

 

I mean you're probably right. Whenever someone wants to take your freedom and take over your country. You should probably just give up b/c someone could get hurt................

 

Completely disagree in case the sarcasm wasn't clear.

Edited February 28, 2022 by reo

[begooode]

35 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

It is produced by the Turkish weapons manufacturer Baykar, which says the drones can reach altitudes of 25,000 ft and fly for 27 continuous hours, operated remotely from up to 300km away. Each one can carry up to four laser-guided bombs or rockets, for an estimated total payload of 150 kilograms. 

 

And this could be why Belarus is saber rattling and considering importing Russian nukes.

[reo]

9 minutes ago, Titans279 said:

Also, the numbers in the tweet are kind of funny because there's really not that much Biden could do to be "tougher" on Russia that doesn't involve getting the US military involved.

 

Biden has done an awesome job

 

https://politicalwire.com/2022/02/28/biden-has-done-a-very-good-job/

 

“Biden did not draw lines in the sand. He did not personalize the conflict. He did not turn himself into the star of the show. He did not allow anyone, anywhere, to believe that this was about America.”

“Since the invasion, Biden has been a full partner with our European allies. He has not pushed them into decisions. He recognized that having a united front was more important than any particular aspect of the response. And after only four days Europe came to the conclusion—on its own—that it would do everything the American foreign policy establishment had wanted. Biden understood that these countries needed to come to the decision to fight back on their own, and not be publicly cajoled into it.”

“Biden also understood that the EU and NATO are actually very powerful allies and that when they work in concert with the United States, we represent a significant geopolitical force.”

 

 

[reo]

4 minutes ago, begooode said:

 

And this could be why Belarus is saber rattling and considering importing Russian nukes.

 

They're not saber rattling. They're doing what Putin tells them to do as he escalates things and tries to turn his botched Ukraine invasion into a conflict w/ the US.