Starkiller Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 reo, ChemEngr79, Jerry Blair, and 1 other 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzTitan Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 minute ago, reo said: Not actually the case in Russia. You're saying the security services, military etc would side with the oligarchs if it came down to it? ultimately it is he who can issue them orders who has the power. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, kgsTitan said: They wouldn't use them, but they'd threaten to. If you're Russia and you have them, why wouldn't you at that point. What's the use of having them, if you wouldn't threaten with them to prevent NATO from your doorstep? Keeping in mind that Putin is completely nuts. Putin isn’t nuts. He isn’t suicidal. I could see a scenario where Putin would use nukes is he was threatened with losing grip on power in his own country. If he was in the position of Saddam or Gaddafi then I could see it. But as long as NATO was only going to drive his forces out of Ukraine and not invade Russia then I can’t see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 50 minutes ago, reo said: The real question is what will you do if its Trump v Biden in 2024? Biden will be too old to run Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 Just now, headhunter said: Biden will be too old to run I wasn’t aware the Constitution established a maximum age for the candidates… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 21 minutes ago, reo said: I mean... we could. Its Ukrainian air space but it'd probably escalate things. Its not like it's Syria where we'd be declaring a no fly zone in someone else's airspace without their permission. Of course we can, but we won’t and shouldn’t. Direct warfare with Russia is not an option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Starkiller said: I wasn’t aware the Constitution established a maximum age for the candidates… Biden won't run again and he wouldn't win an election again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 37 minutes ago, kgsTitan said: Even though Germany is a big part of the reason we're here, they really need to be the primary face of this. They're the one nation Putin has a semi-decent relationship with and, if this is to be de-fused, it will be with the Germans leading it. I admit that I winced when I read that they're directly arming Ukraine. That's probably not a good tactical move for them to do that, in particular. All the aid to Ukraine needs to come from an international effort, and leave it at that. Germany should keep up the illusion of a "peace partner" because they hold the key. Good point about Germany, but like I said the move is all-in because of the fact Russia has done a full on invasion. It’s too late for fence sitters. The fact this is the first time Germany has supplied arms to any conflict since WW2 says they agree that the time for negotiations is over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 Granted this is a YouTube video and could be inaccurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, headhunter said: Biden will be too old to run Not the point. Biden v Trump in 2024. Who are you voting for? Just say it. We all know the answer. Edited February 27, 2022 by reo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgsTitan Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: The fact this is the first time Germany has supplied arms to any conflict since WW2 says they agree that the time for negotiations is over. Well, if that's true, then all off-ramps are closed, as I see it. We'll all be rolling the iron dice here, so God help us. I just can't envision Putin saying OK, I guess I lost. Sorry for the trouble everybody. I thought it would be cool with everyone if we took Ukraine, but we'll just go home now. Edited February 27, 2022 by kgsTitan IsntLifeFunny, and ChemEngr79 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 38 minutes ago, tgo said: I want to see it. I’m with Poland that Ukraine should immediately be admitted into NATO. Open conflict with NATO is inevitable. Putin’s aim is to stay in power, he can’t do that by starting a nuclear war. We’re going to have to fight them at some point, may as well do it before letting hundreds of thousands of innocent people die. That’s just my opinion - it of course won’t go down that way in the immediate term. It’s too late for that. The West is doing all it can in my opinion. titanruss, begooode, and oldschool 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 24 minutes ago, OzTitan said: You're saying the security services, military etc would side with the oligarchs if it came down to it? ultimately it is he who can issue them orders who has the power. Nah. I'm saying the rich have power and Putin is only in power as long as he keeps making them rich. oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 28 minutes ago, Starkiller said: Never forget that for the first 48 hours, Cruz tried to put that whole fiasco on his daughter — “being a good dad, looking after her”. And he’s still the first guy to sound off about leadership every chance he gets. What a craven pos. ChemEngr79, and titanruss 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzTitan Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, reo said: Nah. I'm saying the rich have power and Putin is only in power as long as he keeps making them rich. But if they all turned on him, he could just have the killed or imprisoned, no? who has the final power over the Russian security and military services? titanruss 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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