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[reo]

18 hours ago, Justafan said:

Lol. It doesn't work like that. The military generates the list, based on competency and achievements. The Senate approves and appoints them with input from the Chief of Staff and Defense Secretary. Democrats can hold up nominations the same way Tuberville has. The President can simply fire the Defense Secretary - and believe me, he would - and replace that person with his own, and he can appoint the Chiefs of Staff with approval from Congress.  

 

At the end of the day, he would be the commander-in-chief, but this idea that you can replace all the current generals with MAGA loyalists is pure fiction sprouted by people who have no clue how the military operates. Senior military officers are apolitical, and it is a virtue that most of them take VERY seriously. This is why you saw so much pushback when both Trump and Pelosi and others tried to politicize the military before. 

 

Guys like General Flynn are an incredible minority. 

 

Congrats to you on knowing how things are normally done. It's not about how things are normally done. It's about what they can get away w/ and how long it takes to stop them. He'd fire the Defense Secretary. And he'd appoint a temporary Chief of Staff and then just never submit anyone for approval from Congress so the temporary guy stays in charge. He did it w/ multiple orgs when he was in office before. And as it's going through the courts to "decide" the legality of it, whoever he appointed would just do what he wants. And those people would ignore the list the military generates and nominate only MAGA into positions of authority in the military. Then the bet is that if Trump wins the election that they'll also win back the Senate. 

 

So Tuberville is trying to create as many openings for Trump to fill in the military as possible. 

 

When it comes to the Dems doing the same thing, Dems have a way of getting around Tuberville's objections now. They're just not doing it b/c they're respecting the process. Trump won't do that. Dems won't be able to stop it.

Edited December 6, 2023 by reo

[Come on Titans]

[begooode]

Just now, Come on Titans said:

 

That can be read as the impact of FoxNews, et al, on the US electorate-- Before and After

[Starkiller]

33 minutes ago, begooode said:

 

That can be read as the impact of FoxNews, et al, on the US electorate-- Before and After

Certainly if there had been a huge right wing propaganda network back then like there is today then Nixon would have never resigned nor had to worry about being convicted in an impeachment trial.

[titanruss]

On 12/5/2023 at 1:57 PM, begooode said:

 

So they are just going to shelve all these promotion candidates to bring in another group of loyalists or blatantly filter through the current group and capriciously deny deserving promotions until they pinky swear an oath to maga?  I'm skeptical.

 

its what all dictators do...

 

23 hours ago, Justafan said:

Lol. It doesn't work like that. The military generates the list, based on competency and achievements. The Senate approves and appoints them with input from the Chief of Staff and Defense Secretary. Democrats can hold up nominations the same way Tuberville has. The President can simply fire the Defense Secretary - and believe me, he would - and replace that person with his own, and he can appoint the Chiefs of Staff with approval from Congress.  

 

At the end of the day, he would be the commander-in-chief, but this idea that you can replace all the current generals with MAGA loyalists is pure fiction sprouted by people who have no clue how the military operates. Senior military officers are apolitical, and it is a virtue that most of them take VERY seriously. This is why you saw so much pushback when both Trump and Pelosi and others tried to politicize the military before. 

 

Guys like General Flynn are an incredible minority. 

 

Most isn't all.

 

What would be your reasoning for why Tuberville would deny promotions?

[Justafan]

35 minutes ago, titanruss said:

 

its what all dictators do...

 

 

Most isn't all.

 

What would be your reasoning for why Tuberville would deny promotions?

Seriously?  It's not exactly a secret. 

 

He's protesting the Army's policy decision to pay for service members crossing state lines to get abortion services.  There's no mystery, conspiracy, or secret agenda. He's said as much from the very beginning, and there's no reason to doubt it.

 

In fact, I would argue the burden of proof is on the people making an additional leap to make a statement about future events based on assumptions and a lack of any evidence whatsoever to back it up while also displaying a gross misunderstanding of how the process actually works. 

[begooode]

1 hour ago, Starkiller said:

Certainly if there had been a huge right wing propaganda network back then like there is today then Nixon would have never resigned nor had to worry about being convicted in an impeachment trial.

 My comment was making the same point, I hope. But yes Roger Ailes as Nixon’s TV guy purposefully created FoxNews to ensure an alternate media sphere built on emotional narratives would protect and enable repub politicians.

[Justafan]

6 hours ago, reo said:

 

Congrats to you on knowing how things are normally done. It's not about how things are normally done. It's about what they can get away w/ and how long it takes to stop them. He'd fire the Defense Secretary. And he'd appoint a temporary Chief of Staff and then just never submit anyone for approval from Congress so the temporary guy stays in charge. He did it w/ multiple orgs when he was in office before. And as it's going through the courts to "decide" the legality of it, whoever he appointed would just do what he wants. And those people would ignore the list the military generates and nominate only MAGA into positions of authority in the military. Then the bet is that if Trump wins the election that they'll also win back the Senate. 

 

So Tuberville is trying to create as many openings for Trump to fill in the military as possible. 

 

When it comes to the Dems doing the same thing, Dems have a way of getting around Tuberville's objections now. They're just not doing it b/c they're respecting the process. Trump won't do that. Dems won't be able to stop it.

Lol. It's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about. 

 

Let's play a game. You think the COS appoints those generals?  Which COS are you referring to?

[begooode]

30 minutes ago, Justafan said:

Seriously?  It's not exactly a secret. 

 

He's protesting the Army's policy decision to pay for service members crossing state lines to get abortion services.  There's no mystery, conspiracy, or secret agenda. He's said as much from the very beginning, and there's no reason to doubt it.

 

In fact, I would argue the burden of proof is on the people making an additional leap to make a statement about future events based on assumptions and a lack of any evidence whatsoever to back it up while also displaying a gross misunderstanding of how the process actually works. 

Our service academies are the pipelines for our military leadership. There, the ethos of honor, service, loyalty to the country and the constitution is sacrosanct, lived and breathed. These honorable men and women will not suddenly flip for the Cheeto dust and retribution fueled maga grievances. Also, consider that fighting spirit morale, selflessness/sacrifice are the tenets of the corps, with the idea of reasonable rewards and promotion in a professional environment. To suddenly say all these worthy leaders will now need to kiss the ring,… again I’m extremely skeptical.

 

Honestly, some of this “Trump gonna” rhetoric is over the top.  I believe Trump and this amorphous mobbed up maga shit is the worst political environment in generations. That said, based on the demographics of the military and the impacts to morale alone, I don’t think any president can just snap fingers and flip our military into a slavish politically aligned armed forces overnight. That’s why it hasn’t happened. Much of this bullshit is their grift porn to keep the donations pouring in.

Edited December 7, 2023 by begooode

[titanruss]

18 minutes ago, Justafan said:

Seriously?  It's not exactly a secret. 

 

He's protesting the Army's policy decision to pay for service members crossing state lines to get abortion services.  There's no mystery, conspiracy, or secret agenda. He's said as much from the very beginning, and there's no reason to doubt it.

 

In fact, I would argue the burden of proof is on the people making an additional leap to make a statement about future events based on assumptions and a lack of any evidence whatsoever to back it up while also displaying a gross misunderstanding of how the process actually works. 

 

There's ALOT of reasons to doubt it. There's soundbite all over the place that lead listeners to think negatively of his intentions even before that blockade.. but "proof"? None really.

 

Of course the burden of proof should come from accusers... but that proof can't be found - especially by us here -  because no one in politics is dumb enough to say outright that they want to be a part of a single party dictatorship.. other than Trump. Everyone said there was no proof Trump would actually try and throw over the government - besides him basically hinting at it and doing everything he could leading up to it.. and the statements of those closest to him. Of course, nothing is actual 'proof' until the action occurs.

 

He's hurting the military not just structurally but also the families of members as well as the nations / world's security...

 

 

[Justafan]

4 minutes ago, begooode said:

Our service academies are the pipelines for our military leadership. There, the ethos of honor, service, loyalty to the country and the constitution is sacrosanct, lived and breathed. These honorable men and women will not suddenly flip for the Cheeto dust and retribution fueled maga grievances. Also, consider that fighting spirit morale, selflessness/sacrifice is a tenet of the corps, with the idea of reasonable rewards and promotion in a professional environment. To suddenly say all these worthy leaders will now need to kiss the ring,… again I’m extremely skeptical.

 

Honestly, some of this “Trump gonna” rhetoric is over the top.  I believe Trump and this amorphous mobbed up maga shit is the worst political environment in generations. That said, based on the demographics of the military and the impacts to morale alone, I don’t think any president can just snap fingers and flip our military into a slavish politically aligned armed forces overnight. That’s why it hasn’t happened. Much of this bullshit is their grift porn to keep the donations pouring in.

Exactly.  People forget that Maddog quit rather than break his values. Milley threatened to, he refused to break his values to either Trump or Pelosi, and he reassured the Chinese, at great personal risk, to keep relations stable when very powerful political figures who had the power to remove him were threatening him. General Kelly, I know many here hated him, but he quit when it became too much and faded into the night. He didn't write a book about it to aggrandize himself.  In fact, there's a book coming out that claims both Mattis and Kelly called Trump an idiot in secret, but you never heard anything like that from them in public.  Why?  Because they swore an oath to the constitution and they were protecting the office, not the man. 

[Justafan]

3 minutes ago, titanruss said:

 

There's ALOT of reasons to doubt it. There's soundbite all over the place that lead listeners to think negatively of his intentions even before that blockade.. but "proof"? None really.

 

Of course the burden of proof should come from accusers... but that proof can't be found - especially by us here -  because no one in politics is dumb enough to say outright that they want to be a part of a single party dictatorship.. other than Trump. Everyone said there was no proof Trump would actually try and throw over the government - besides him basically hinting at it and doing everything he could leading up to it.. and the statements of those closest to him. Of course, nothing is actual 'proof' until the action occurs.

 

He's hurting the military not just structurally but also the families of members as well as the nations / world's security...

 

 

Well, since the burden of proof is on the accuser and there is none, we're done here.

[WG53]

36 minutes ago, Justafan said:

Well, since the burden of proof is on the accuser and there is none, we're done here.

It's very naive of you to think that Tommy did all that because of abortion.

[Justafan]

5 minutes ago, WG53 said:

It's very naive of you to think that Tommy did all that because of abortion.

How so?

[titanruss]

23 minutes ago, Justafan said:

Well, since the burden of proof is on the accuser and there is none, we're done here.

 

Being highly racist with unwavering vocal support for another highly racist man that tried to take over the country - and said straight up he wants to and will be a dictator ... that is usually enough for most people to reasonably question his intentions. He supports the guy that wants to put people in charge of the military to run a dictatorship. .. and he's weakening the military's leadership. It's not that hard to see the connection.

 

The same guy he adores put people in leadership positions to intentionally destroy the education system and post office. The Secret Service is compromised, the FBI is compromised, the Capitol police were compromised, he compromised our military intel numerous times intentionally,... and you dont think he wants the military leadership compromised? How do you think coups work?

 

Here's a military guy that also thinks the military could be compromised to aid in a coup:

 

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/31/1068930675/us-election-coup-january-6-military-constitution