GOP thread

[IsntLifeFunny]

No clue what that makes the people who still do. 

[Starkiller]

This decision just doesn’t make sense to me
 

https://www.reuters.com/legal/colorado-judges-allows-trump-primary-ballot-delays-decision-general-election-2023-11-18/
 

A Colorado judge on Friday allowed Donald Trump to remain on the ballot in the state's election next year, but found that he "engaged in insurrection" by sparking the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol by his supporters.

 

The ruling from Judge Sarah Wallace, which is almost certain to be appealed, rejects a bid by a group of Colorado voters to disqualify Trump under a rarely used amendment to the U.S. Constitution that bars officials who have engaged in "insurrection" from holding federal office.

 

The judge found that, as president, Trump was not "an officer of the United States" that could be disqualified under the amendment.

[Justafan]

The mere fact that Trump told a group of his African American supporters that Fredrick Douglas was doing a great job, and he noticed, should disqualify him.  People complain about dumb people being allowed to vote.  Why in the world would we be okay with an obnoxious personality with a first-grade understanding of the issues to be the literal leader of the free world?!

[chef]

1 hour ago, Justafan said:

The mere fact that Trump told a group of his African American supporters that Fredrick Douglas was doing a great job, and he noticed, should disqualify him.  People complain about dumb people being allowed to vote.  Why in the world would we be okay with an obnoxious personality with a first-grade understanding of the issues to be the literal leader of the free world?!

 

Because a very high % of "we" are obnoxious personalities with a first-grade understanding of the issues.  People support their own team.

[Justafan]

46 minutes ago, chef said:

 

Because a very high % of "we" are obnoxious personalities with a first-grade understanding of the issues.  People support their own team.

The Dogma is the problem for sure.  It allows otherwise intelligent people to rationalize statements and actions that would be otherwise unacceptable.

[chef]

8 hours ago, Justafan said:

The Dogma is the problem for sure.  It allows otherwise intelligent people to rationalize statements and actions that would be otherwise unacceptable.

 

That's all about going down the road of cognitive dissonance.  Once you cross one hurdle of logic, then another, then another, to stay in line with "your team," it becomes increasingly difficult to walk back because in doing so you have to admit to yourself that maybe you were wrong, led astray, fooled/used by those whom you believed in.  Almost shattering to some psyches, thus you continue down the path or else veer off and ignore where you'd been later such that you can look in the mirror with less anxiety.  ("I never supported that guy!")

 

To be clear, not only a right wing/Trump thing, nor religious thing, nor any one thing.  Just whenever your perception of self becomes entangled with any belief such that wearing blinders is easier than accepting uncomfortable truths.

 

 

Edited November 19, 2023 by chef

[Justafan]

2 minutes ago, chef said:

 

That's all about going down the road of cognitive dissonance.  Once you cross one hurdle of logic, then another, then another, to stay in line with "your team," it becomes increasingly difficult to walk back because in doing so you have to admit to yourself that maybe you were wrong, led astray, fooled/used by those whom you believed in.  Almost shattering to some psyches, thus you continue down the path or else veer off and ignore where you'd been later such that you can look in the mirror with less anxiety.  ("I never supported that guy!")

 

To be clear, not only a right wing/Trump thing, nor religious thing, or any thing.  Just whenever your perception of self becomes entangled with any belief such that wearing blinders is easier than accepting uncomfortable truths.

 

 

100% agree. Great post. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

48 minutes ago, chef said:

 

That's all about going down the road of cognitive dissonance.  Once you cross one hurdle of logic, then another, then another, to stay in line with "your team," it becomes increasingly difficult to walk back because in doing so you have to admit to yourself that maybe you were wrong, led astray, fooled/used by those whom you believed in.  Almost shattering to some psyches, thus you continue down the path or else veer off and ignore where you'd been later such that you can look in the mirror with less anxiety.  ("I never supported that guy!")

 

To be clear, not only a right wing/Trump thing, nor religious thing, or any thing.  Just whenever your perception of self becomes entangled with any belief such that wearing blinders is easier than accepting uncomfortable truths.

 

 

In our country I would say it's pretty close to being solely on the Republican side. I don't see any leftists with such vehement disregard to their own morality as to lower themselves for a politician the way I do with Republicans. 

[Justafan]

41 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

In our country I would say it's pretty close to being solely on the Republican side. I don't see any leftists with such vehement disregard to their own morality as to lower themselves for a politician the way I do with Republicans. 

If you truly believe there is no dogmatic mindset on the left, and this is only a right problem, you are living in a fantasy land. 

[chef]

35 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

In our country I would say it's pretty close to being solely on the Republican side. I don't see any leftists with such vehement disregard to their own morality as to lower themselves for a politician the way I do with Republicans. 

 

Certainly may tilt that way politically for the moment but I am really talking well beyond politics. 

 

Will think back to Maui passing their anti-GMO bill.  Not trying to say one way or another right or wrong, but many here... many smart, reasonable people... once they got on that anti-GMO train they were unwilling to consider any data, evidence, nothing, that did not align with their passionate cause.  Similar to me and where Trump was always most honest and correct- he COULD shoot someone on 5th and not lose supporters.  Because once supporters of a idea put on those blinders and make their identity tied to the leader/belief/concept, they're no longer just supporters but borderline fanatics, cult like in behavior.

 

So on the wide view, I don't see it as conservative/Republican, but just part of human nature.  And part as we all know now that has been horribly exacerbated by social media via both willful manipulation by malicious parties as well as well-intentioned sharing of The Cause by the true believers.   

[IsntLifeFunny]

12 minutes ago, chef said:

 

Certainly may tilt that way politically for the moment but I am really talking well beyond politics. 

 

Will think back to Maui passing their anti-GMO bill.  Not trying to say one way or another right or wrong, but many here... many smart, reasonable people... once they got on that anti-GMO train they were unwilling to consider any data, evidence, nothing, that did not align with their passionate cause.  Similar to me and where Trump was always most honest and correct- he COULD shoot someone on 5th and not lose supporters.  Because once supporters of a idea put on those blinders and make their identity tied to the leader/belief/concept, they're no longer just supporters but borderline fanatics, cult like in behavior.

 

So on the wide view, I don't see it as conservative/Republican, but just part of human nature.  And part as we all know now that has been horribly exacerbated by social media via both willful manipulation by malicious parties as well as well-intentioned sharing of The Cause by the true believers.   

I understood your stance. I appreciate it and agree. I'm saying directly at this time it is extremely heavily slanted towards Republicans. Trump has changed our lexicon and passed the Rubicon to such an extent that the idiots flock to him...ergo for the time being it's mostly a Republican issue. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

16 minutes ago, Justafan said:

If you truly believe there is no dogmatic mindset on the left, and this is only a right problem, you are living in a fantasy land. 

Of course there is on the left but they're a fringe minority. If you don't see that as of right now it is not only a fringe of the right but a mainstay to the point of moderates being primaried and retiring if not toeing the line then it would be you in fantasy land. There's no both sides to this. Republicans are a legitimate threat to Democracy and our Republic. The same can't be said on the short term for Democrats. 

[Starkiller]

31 minutes ago, Justafan said:

If you truly believe there is no dogmatic mindset on the left, and this is only a right problem, you are living in a fantasy land. 

Both sides have dogma. But that’s not the problem. 

[Justafan]

31 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

Both sides have dogma. But that’s not the problem. 

Of course it is. 

[Justafan]

46 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Of course there is on the left but they're a fringe minority. If you don't see that as of right now it is not only a fringe of the right but a mainstay to the point of moderates being primaried and retiring if not toeing the line then it would be you in fantasy land. There's no both sides to this. Republicans are a legitimate threat to Democracy and our Republic. The same can't be said on the short term for Democrats. 

It's not just a fringe minority. 

 

Both extremes are a threat. 

 

I'll agree that on the right, the extremists have more power and pose a larger threat at the moment.  It's laughable to me, though, that you see a clear threat from the Republicans and basically a token threat from the Democrats.