pat Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 His problem was turning the ball over 3 times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, patsplat said: His problem was turning the ball over 3 times. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 50 minutes ago, Callidus said: 5 I didn't count the failed fourth down conversions but yep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 minute ago, patsplat said: I didn't count the failed fourth down conversions but yep. because they don't count. Turning the ball over on downs is not the same as committing a turnover. pat, and Mythos27 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 minute ago, patsplat said: I didn't count the failed fourth down conversions but yep. I know and they should count to the team and not him but he went panic mode and had no chance on either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 The two failed 4th down conversions when the game was still in question were huge and plays that they had converted 100% of the time until the Titan game. Yeah it wasn't technically a turnover but it essentially was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamRamrod Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) On 6/17/2020 at 4:10 AM, OILERMAN said: Jackson is a horrible passer, I suspect teams are going to copy the Titans and force him to pass from the pocket more and their offense will take a big step back. What? That’s not what happened at all lol You really think the Titans in the playoffs were the first team to employ that trite strategy? He was not a horrible passer last season. The Titans won because they got turnovers and stopped the Ravens when they went for it on 4th down multiple times. The Ravens also had 6 drops. Jackson threw for 350+ and ran for 140+. The Titans did wisely filter everything outside to use the boundary and stopped Ingram though. I’m not taking anything away from the Titans. We bullied them. But let’s not pretend it was because they employed some brilliant strategy. A strategy that people have been using against mobile quarterbacks for decades. Edited June 24, 2020 by TeamRamrod Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenIsLegend Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 23 minutes ago, TeamRamrod said: What? That’s not what happened at all lol You really think the Titans in the playoffs were the first team to employ that trite strategy? He was not a horrible passer last season. The Titans won because they got turnovers and stopped the Ravens when they went for it on 4th down multiple times. The Ravens also had 6 drops. Jackson threw for 350+ and ran for 140+. The Titans did wisely filter everything outside to use the boundary and stopped Ingram though. I’m not taking anything away from the Titans. We bullied them. But let’s not pretend it was because they employed some brilliant strategy. A strategy that people have been using against mobile quarterbacks for decades. He played very poorly that game. He was erratic and a turnover machine in the playoff game. He got exposed. It’s up to him to take on the responsibility of getting better or continuing to lose his shit. Mythos27, and Callidus 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 6 hours ago, TeamRamrod said: What? That’s not what happened at all lol You really think the Titans in the playoffs were the first team to employ that trite strategy? He was not a horrible passer last season. The Titans won because they got turnovers and stopped the Ravens when they went for it on 4th down multiple times. The Ravens also had 6 drops. Jackson threw for 350+ and ran for 140+. The Titans did wisely filter everything outside to use the boundary and stopped Ingram though. I’m not taking anything away from the Titans. We bullied them. But let’s not pretend it was because they employed some brilliant strategy. A strategy that people have been using against mobile quarterbacks for decades. His stats last season or in that game are not the result of him being a good passer. He completed 51% in the Titans game and had a 61 passer rating. He was terrible. And the Ravens are a very good TEAM with a unique offense, they are hard to stop. They do a good job hiding his passing limitations CharrdWood, AvgJoe, oldschool, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvgJoe Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 3 hours ago, OILERMAN said: His stats last season or in that game are not the result of him being a good passer. He completed 51% in the Titans game and had a 61 passer rating. He was terrible. And the Ravens are a very good TEAM with a unique offense, they are hard to stop. They do a good job hiding his passing limitations Correct. The same way Vince Young’s limitations were hidden. Titans had the personnel and gave a blue print on how to stop the Ravens. The fact we have Evans, Brown, and Long at MLB was a huge game changer having strong spy’s for his running. I fully expect us to beat them again this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, reb9000tn said: Actually it is similiar. If you kick the ball you change the field position. or kick a field goal you put points on the board. If you go on 4th and miss you have nothing to show for it and the other team takes over just like a fumble. They should have taken the field goal to make it 14-9. It would have put more pressure on us. Yes it's a turnover but the fault is with Harbaugh for chasing. NashvilleKat 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamRamrod Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 10 hours ago, StephenIsLegend said: He played very poorly that game. He was erratic and a turnover machine in the playoff game. He got exposed. It’s up to him to take on the responsibility of getting better or continuing to lose his shit. That has nothing to do with what I said. I don’t care what he said recently, I was addressing Oman’s post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamRamrod Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 3 hours ago, OILERMAN said: His stats last season or in that game are not the result of him being a good passer. He completed 51% in the Titans game and had a 61 passer rating. He was terrible. And the Ravens are a very good TEAM with a unique offense, they are hard to stop. They do a good job hiding his passing limitations Ah yes. Passer rating and completion percentage. The two most misleading statistics on quarterbacks that people moved on from as an evaluation tool like 10 years ago. (Oh and by the way. If we do want to consider those two stats reliable, Jackson was 3rd in the entire league in passer rating and top 10 in completion percentage last season.) And your second point is totally useless. You originally said the Titans showed the league the blueprint on how to stop Lamar by simply forcing him to sit in the pocket and throw. That’s a fallacy based on what you just said. Many teams have employed that strategy. You only have to look at week 1 to see that. I’m not saying he’s an elite passer. That was never the argument. Saying he was horrible last season and that there is an easy blueprint to stopping the Ravens offense is hyperbolic. Maybe they’ll fall apart this season, but it won’t be because of the brilliant strategy of “forcing him to throw from the pocket”. bizzyeddie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenIsLegend Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 hour ago, TeamRamrod said: Ah yes. Passer rating and completion percentage. The two most misleading statistics on quarterbacks that people moved on from as an evaluation tool like 10 years ago. (Oh and by the way. If we do want to consider those two stats reliable, Jackson was 3rd in the entire league in passer rating and top 10 in completion percentage last season.) And your second point is totally useless. You originally said the Titans showed the league the blueprint on how to stop Lamar by simply forcing him to sit in the pocket and throw. That’s a fallacy based on what you just said. Many teams have employed that strategy. You only have to look at week 1 to see that. I’m not saying he’s an elite passer. That was never the argument. Saying he was horrible last season and that there is an easy blueprint to stopping the Ravens offense is hyperbolic. Maybe they’ll fall apart this season, but it won’t be because of the brilliant strategy of “forcing him to throw from the pocket”. If he is forced to throw from the pocket in his current state, they won't win a lot of games. You are making it sound like you believe he is just dissecting teams back there, when he is actually not. His running ability is what opens things up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenIsLegend Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 hour ago, TeamRamrod said: That has nothing to do with what I said. I don’t care what he said recently, I was addressing Oman’s post. It actually does. I was addressing what you retorted with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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