Federal officials took her daughter while she breastfed the child in a detention center

[thor]

3 hours ago, patsplat said:

You don’t know what you are talking about.

But you and the other nippleheads do??? 

[Cyrus]

Why does playing for a team mean that we lose all moral discernment? Even if Obama’s admin did have family separation (it really didn’t, nor did Bush), why would it give Trump a pass now? (It shouldn’t) 

 

I’m genuinely shocked at how some rank and file conservatives are defending this. Why? What is it that prevents you from making some type of concession when there’s clearly a moral boundary crossed. It seems like the goal is to run up the score for your team no matter what the issue. 

 

To think that a toddler should be separated from their mother or father merely for violating immigration laws is wrong. And caretakers in these facilities are not allowed to hold or physically comfort these children when they actually need it most. Nothing about it is right regardless of the circumstances. To excuse or rationalize it makes you not only brainless but heartless too.

[Pragidealist]

My suggestion is to ignore these posters. You’re not changing their minds. They’re heartless, immoral animals. Some people don’t deserve your attention. 

[pat]

This issue really sticks with me, in an emotional way.  I understand that some people live in isolation, and only see what they are told to fear on TV.

The best man at my wedding immigrated to the US from Poland when he was 12.  Another one of my best friends was born in the US to Columbian parents and is married to a Columbian woman.  One of my colleagues immigrated from Sri Lanka after the genocide of the Tamils.  Another colleague immigrated from Pakistan.  Another friend is Palestinian.  All these people are normal, fun, smart, working folk.  None are criminals.

 

Many have gone out-of-status one time or another.  To treat every discrepancy as a felony, to take the hardest possible line on every situation, is inhumane.  These people brought their talents to the US, and the US is richer for it.

 

The parents of my son's best friend both are green card non-citizen residents.  When I hear those kids crying, that's who I hear.  The 5 year old and 3 year old that my son was playing with on election night.

[Starkiller]

From a political perspective, it will be interesting to see how this plays out. It’s wildly unpopular nationally, but as with all things Trump, Republicans are supporting it. 

 

Democrats politically have no incentive to give in to any Trump demands on immigration because the situation only energized anti-Trump fervor. They would be happy to pass something to end the crisis and get some credit for that but not at the cost of giving Trump his ridiculous wall. 

 

Congressional Republicans are in a precarious position because they are pissing off some supporters no matter which way they go. They are desperately trying to blame Democrats for this mess created by the Trump admin. Obviously the Suckers will believe anything, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a mess and they are in charge. 

 

And the administration keeps doubling down on their lies to spin the situation. But only the Trump Suckers are on board. Are they going to give in of Congress doesn’t step in? How would that look?

 

With the midterms coming up soon, this is a big deal. 

[pat]

@Soxcat you sound ridiculous.  "Just bring a child, work an honest job, pay taxes, buy a home, volunteer for the PTA, go to church, donate to charity, and omg you're an American!"

 

It's part of what makes this country special.

 

I'm sure there's something you are upset about, and for legitimate reasons.  But so long as you blame random strangers, you'll never fix whatever is the real problem.

[Little Earl]

1 hour ago, Cyrus said:

Why does playing for a team mean that we lose all moral discernment? Even if Obama’s admin did have family separation (it really didn’t, nor did Bush), why would it give Trump a pass now? (It shouldn’t) 

 

I’m genuinely shocked at how some rank and file conservatives are defending this. Why? What is it that prevents you from making some type of concession when there’s clearly a moral boundary crossed. It seems like the goal is to run up the score for your team no matter what the issue. 

 

To think that a toddler should be separated from their mother or father merely for violating immigration laws is wrong. And caretakers in these facilities are not allowed to hold or physically comfort these children when they actually need it most. Nothing about it is right regardless of the circumstances. To excuse or rationalize it makes you not only brainless but heartless too.

I don't have much of a problem with this.   So many angles that the left and media conveniently leave out.    Sure, the simple thought of ripping children away from their parents is not a good one.   Then you start to learn some real facts:

 

- Large number of kids are coming across without their families, making it unknown if the parental claims are real or not.

- Families are for the most part reunited with 24 hours, many within a couple of hours.   That is NOT inhumane treatment.

- They are criminals violating the law and are being treated like all other criminals being incarcerated with kids.

- Asylum claims are the tricky ones as children can be separated for months while the asylum process plays out.    While I am sure there some things that can be done to help here, facts are the parents chose to sneak in rather than seek asylum first.

 

[Little Earl]

24 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

From a political perspective, it will be interesting to see how this plays out. It’s wildly unpopular nationally, but as with all things Trump, Republicans are supporting it. 

 

Democrats politically have no incentive to give in to any Trump demands on immigration because the situation only energized anti-Trump fervor. They would be happy to pass something to end the crisis and get some credit for that but not at the cost of giving Trump his ridiculous wall. 

 

Congressional Republicans are in a precarious position because they are pissing off some supporters no matter which way they go. They are desperately trying to blame Democrats for this mess created by the Trump admin. Obviously the Suckers will believe anything, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a mess and they are in charge. 

 

And the administration keeps doubling down on their lies to spin the situation. But only the Trump Suckers are on board. Are they going to give in of Congress doesn’t step in? How would that look?

 

With the midterms coming up soon, this is a big deal. 

No, it's a big deal now in the immediate conjured outrage from the left.   The Trump admin will get the facts and their narrative out, make some nominal changes, and all will be forgotten, except by Trump hating libtards.

[ctm]

Multiple GOP senators (Graham, Sasse, McCain, Flake, Hatch) are now publically saying that Trump could end this policy immediately if he wanted to.   Some have even said that Trump's claim that this is a result of a democratic law is also untrue, which is implicit in the first statement that he can end it immediately.

 

All these statements are a polite way of saying that Trump is lying again.

[Starkiller]

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/19/trump-family-separations-outcry-reaction-653305

 

 

A bipartisan group of 75 former U.S. attorneys slammed the Trump administration policy of separating children from parents who take them illegally across the border, arguing in a letter posted online Monday that it traumatizes children and robs current U.S. attorneys of the agency they need to prioritize more important prosecutions.

 

“Traumatizing children by separating them from their parents as a deterrent for adult conduct is, in our view, sufficient reason to halt your policy,” the former U.S. attorneys wrote in their letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions. “But as former U.S. Attorneys, we know that the collateral consequences of this ill-advised approach ultimately render us less safe as a nation… It is a simple matter of fact that the time a Department attorney spends prosecuting misdemeanor illegal entry cases, may be time he or she does not spend investigating more significant crimes.”

 

The letter noted that the group had served under presidents of both parties.

[9 Nines]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/politics/family-separations-2018-midterms-republicans-trump/index.html

 

One of the strongest statements criticizing the administration came late Monday from Rep. Steve Stivers, who chairs the National Republican Congressional Committee, the House GOP's campaign arm. In a sign of just how damaging Republicans believe this issue can be in the fall, Stivers said he was writing a letter "to understand the current policies and to ask the Administration to stop needlessly separating children from their parents."

 

"If the policy is not changed, I will support other means to stop unnecessary separation of children from their parents," he added.

[Mythos27]

Just now, Soxcat said:

There are some options being discussed and Cruz supports keeping the family together in detention and providing a speeding hearing and resolution thus most would be deported quickly but stay together.  Remember, the main issue here is these people disappear when provided a hearing date.  So attempts to set them free until their hearing results in nobody turning up for their hearings. 

 

Either way something needs to be done. 

If families were being detained together, this whole mess could've been avoided. What happened here seems pretty simple; the extremists in the Trump administration tried to send a message by using family separation as a deterrent and now it's back-fired.Trump wasn't necessary in the loop on all the details and now he looks bad. All he has to do is take quick, humane action and things will be fine. We don't have to do away with rule of law to treat people like humans.

[IsntLifeFunny]

6 minutes ago, Soxcat said:

There are some options being discussed and Cruz supports keeping the family together in detention and providing a speeding hearing and resolution thus most would be deported quickly but stay together. 

 

 

Hey that was easy. 

 

7 minutes ago, Soxcat said:

Remember, the main issue here is these people disappear when provided a hearing date.  So attempts to set them free until their hearing results in nobody turning up for their hearings. 

 

Either way something needs to be done. 

No, that isn’t the main issue at the moment. That will be the main issue once they deal with the fact they’re unjustly tearing families apart, some of whom aren’t criminals at all. 

[KnoxTitan]

1 minute ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Hey that was easy. 

 

No, that isn’t the main issue at the moment. That will be the main issue once they deal with the fact they’re unjustly tearing families apart, some of whom aren’t criminals at all. 

Sneaking across the border in order to purposely evade immigration law and policy makes you a criminal.

 

They are literally all criminals. Every single one of them.

 

They should be immediately reunited their family back in whatever their country of origin happens to be and told to declare themselves for asylum at an official port of entry or told to visit the local US embassy or consulate in order to begin the lawful immigration process.

[Titansgoodluckcharm]